Comments on: A PEOPLE’S MANIFESTO FOR THE 2008 ELECTIONS http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/ swalpa sihi, swalpa spicy Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:40:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: mohammed rafiq http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-83321 mohammed rafiq Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:39:56 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-83321 the suggestion of ban on minning is not a good,insted stop maximum corruption,many small scale and medium scale bussiness now depends on miming in north karnataka,in last 15 years no new projets have come in north karnataka the educated engineers are running for the job world wide and other states,consider these issues first,small scale bussiness like shops are going day by bad due to ecnomy slowdown in north karnataka. specially in hubli and dharwad the political leaders are just seen wen election are their,no developments in industrial. the suggestion of ban on minning is not a good,insted stop maximum corruption,many small scale and medium scale bussiness now depends on miming in north karnataka,in last 15 years no new projets have come in north karnataka the educated engineers are running for the job world wide and other states,consider these issues first,small scale bussiness like shops are going day by bad due to ecnomy slowdown in north karnataka.
specially in hubli and dharwad the political leaders are just seen wen election are their,no developments in industrial.

]]> By: Muthukaruppan http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-79585 Muthukaruppan Thu, 29 May 2008 07:44:06 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-79585 In my above comments, I forgot to make a referenc etc the great UR Ananthamurthy's thoughts which I have studied in fair detail and depth. His thoughts can well become the MANIFESTO of the kind of democratic government, for which democracy is not on partisan lines, but which is an uninterrputed continuum in which a small percentage of representatives retire voluntarily, to be substituted by new choices of people. Mining, according to Shri URA, must be banned. As I see it, since we need minerals for our industrial and other requirements, what he means is that it should be a public (state) responsibility. Fine. After all, the reformed democratic process will have no parties since ideologies are illusory concepts, the only political ideology being that of striving for happiness and justice with growth for all individually and as a whole, where happiness is defined not just capacity for boundless materialistic satisfactions but a balanced spiritual-material well being. URA's others points are also great and constitute actionable components of democratic justice with growth. Common schools providing high quality education, for another ex., is another step he suggests. This is great. We must do everything to achieve materialistic capabilities for sustaining our growing population's economic needs, and here we can very follow the West's and Japan' examples to achieve hat 'Nobel Prize' excellence since advances in science are absolutely necessary for our maximum technological capabilities without depending totally on international supplies of technology. However, our higher education did not in the past eschew moral and spiritual values to become integral to any education, higher and lower. Thus, technology can never be permitted to produce bombs to be placed at the hands of nations to destroy others. Similarly, our Gurukulas were observing the strictest moral codes, and no drinking, no illicit sex, and the like, and the "Vidyaranyas" for higher education were far, far from the madding and corrupting crowds so that tranquil education of both materialistic and spiitual excellence would be possible through strict discipline for the teacher and the taught. But in the American/ Western system, it is horrible to see an intolerable perversion here: liquor barons aare allowed to set up liquor shops right within university portals, as quid pr o quo for their munificence. Thus Shri URA's thoughts are virtually the MANIFESTO, if they can be turned into that, for a drastically transformed democracy of India. His thoughts, I mean, deserve the intelligentsia's utmost consideration. By the bye, this term [intelligentsia] is not necessarily formally schooled people receiving a high dosage of education, indeed some of such people will be excluded if their ideas are not conducive to the concept of happiness as a marriage of BOTH spiritual and materialistic values. The term comprises, rather, ALL those who hold the twin aim of happiness of individuals and society dear to their heart, possibly with some solid thinking on how to go about achieving them in real life. In my above comments, I forgot to make a referenc etc the great UR Ananthamurthy’s thoughts which I have studied in fair detail and depth. His thoughts can well become the MANIFESTO of the kind of democratic government, for which democracy is not on partisan lines, but which is an uninterrputed continuum in which a small percentage of representatives retire voluntarily, to be substituted by new choices of people. Mining, according to Shri URA, must be banned. As I see it, since we need minerals for our industrial and other requirements, what he means is that it should be a public (state) responsibility. Fine. After all, the reformed democratic process will have no parties since ideologies are illusory concepts, the only political ideology being that of striving for happiness and justice with growth for all individually and as a whole, where happiness is defined not just capacity for boundless materialistic satisfactions but a balanced spiritual-material well being. URA’s others points are also great and constitute actionable components of democratic justice with growth. Common schools providing high quality education, for another ex., is another step he suggests. This is great. We must do everything to achieve materialistic capabilities for sustaining our growing population’s economic needs, and here we can very follow the West’s and Japan’ examples to achieve hat ‘Nobel Prize’ excellence since advances in science are absolutely necessary for our maximum technological capabilities without depending totally on international supplies of technology. However, our higher education did not in the past eschew moral and spiritual values to become integral to any education, higher and lower. Thus, technology can never be permitted to produce bombs to be placed at the hands of nations to destroy others. Similarly, our Gurukulas were observing the strictest moral codes, and no drinking, no illicit sex, and the like, and the “Vidyaranyas” for higher education were far, far from the madding and corrupting crowds so that tranquil education of both materialistic and spiitual excellence would be possible through strict discipline for the teacher and the taught. But in the American/ Western system, it is horrible to see an intolerable perversion here: liquor barons aare allowed to set up liquor shops right within university portals, as quid pr o quo for their munificence. Thus Shri URA’s thoughts are virtually the MANIFESTO, if they can be turned into that, for a drastically transformed democracy of India. His thoughts, I mean, deserve the intelligentsia’s utmost consideration. By the bye, this term [intelligentsia] is not necessarily formally schooled people receiving a high dosage of education, indeed some of such people will be excluded if their ideas are not conducive to the concept of happiness as a marriage of BOTH spiritual and materialistic values. The term comprises, rather, ALL those who hold the twin aim of happiness of individuals and society dear to their heart, possibly with some solid thinking on how to go about achieving them in real life.

]]> By: Muthukaruppan http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-79583 Muthukaruppan Thu, 29 May 2008 07:08:17 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-79583 We are a corrupt society. I meant Mankind. The corruption is ANAADI like the Vedas! But in India, it accelerated at a speed beating light's (300 k km) when the British, highly puffed up with a false sense of superiority came and totally perverted our ancient system rooted in Vedic wisdom [strictest rules which were RELIGIOUS INJUNCTIONS THAT COULD BE VIOLATED ONLY WITH THE SURE REWARD OF HELL . The Europeans - the British far more than the Portuguese and the French who too colonized - indoctrinated India so much that pseudo-scholarship and pseudo-secularism took very deep roots - so deep that even after six decades of Independence, these pseudos pose a challenge, and due to their abominable inferior intelligence, want the Mleccha civilization and culture to pervade India. The lovers of mankind want that Indian culture be propagated and prevail in the best interests of mankind and indeed the whole ecology. Even if some drastic steps are thought of to bring our laws closer to our ancient cultural values, the pseudos make sure, by their strategy of casteist and religious divide-and-rule influences on the ruling clique. To cut short this line of argument, what we need to understand is that our democracy CAN NOT function on present organization and methods, which are a copy from the West, where they have, according to their own anti-establishment man, Noam Chomsky, failed miserably. [He says whilst p Americans today do not want wars to grab other nations' resources, the 'elected' democratic governments, ruled by weapons and other affluent sections' lobbies, hijack the government to do what is prohibited by the electorate. Chomsky says that whether it is the Democrats or the Republicans coming to rule the roost, per popular mandate, the real power is invariably wielded only by the lobbies representing abundance of a decadent capitalism.] Our electoral system must, therefore, be transformed radically so as to prohibit proven antisocial, underworld, criminal and other undesirable forces [both individuals and groups], and must enable only people with proven selfless service to society in various ways aiming to bring peace and prosperity to people. Enfranchisement must be re-thought, to exclude undesirable elements following the antisocial and the mafia and the aggrandizing leaders, as well as religious fundamentalism especially of the alien religions. [I need to point out that since about the 14th cent., religions were thrust on Indians at the point of knite (Islamic demons) and through indoctrination and materialistic propaganda (Christianity), and even in these circumstances the Hindus were allowing them to take roots on the assumption that all religions are equal and lead to the same goal. At this point of time, religious conversions must be banned, even at INTERNATIONAL LEVEL, and existing flock sizes frozen for the various religions. Religious freedom must be redefined under international law, to exclude conversions totally, for whatever reason and under whatever pretext. This ban is long overdue due to the proven failure of religions to bring about global amity of mankind and its 'success' to sow seeds of disharmony and violence everywhere. Xians can provide succours to the needy but shall not convert. Etc.] The pseudo-secularists should understand that inter-faith amity is the present historic necessity, and not freedom of religious conversions. Well, Muthukaruppan, where does all this argument fit into Karnataka socio political argument. Well, I am not a separatist, to view take Karnataka out of India, and argue for a limb of a body. Separatism of course has become a trait in all the states of India, and for that very reason, separatism is not feasible for any of them. But yes, languages must be encouraged officially, to grow. But linguistic reorganization has NOT helped India in such a laudable objective. It has only spawned separatists in the name of linguistic parochialism, and its other achievement is to pervert our cultural and moral values. I have spoken out what is the ONE AND THE ONLY available way out for Karnataka as THE TYPICAL Indian state. We are a corrupt society. I meant Mankind. The corruption is ANAADI like the Vedas! But in India, it accelerated at a speed beating light’s (300 k km) when the British, highly puffed up with a false sense of superiority came and totally perverted our ancient system rooted in Vedic wisdom [strictest rules which were RELIGIOUS INJUNCTIONS THAT COULD BE VIOLATED ONLY WITH THE SURE REWARD OF HELL . The Europeans - the British far more than the Portuguese and the French who too colonized - indoctrinated India so much that pseudo-scholarship and pseudo-secularism took very deep roots - so deep that even after six decades of Independence, these pseudos pose a challenge, and due to their abominable inferior intelligence, want the Mleccha civilization and culture to pervade India. The lovers of mankind want that Indian culture be propagated and prevail in the best interests of mankind and indeed the whole ecology. Even if some drastic steps are thought of to bring our laws closer to our ancient cultural values, the pseudos make sure, by their strategy of casteist and religious divide-and-rule influences on the ruling clique.
To cut short this line of argument, what we need to understand is that our democracy CAN NOT function on present organization and methods, which are a copy from the West, where they have, according to their own anti-establishment man, Noam Chomsky, failed miserably. [He says whilst p Americans today do not want wars to grab other nations' resources, the 'elected' democratic governments, ruled by weapons and other affluent sections' lobbies, hijack the government to do what is prohibited by the electorate. Chomsky says that whether it is the Democrats or the Republicans coming to rule the roost, per popular mandate, the real power is invariably wielded only by the lobbies representing abundance of a decadent capitalism.]

Our electoral system must, therefore, be transformed radically so as to prohibit proven antisocial, underworld, criminal and other undesirable forces [both individuals and groups], and must enable only people with proven selfless service to society in various ways aiming to bring peace and prosperity to people. Enfranchisement must be re-thought, to exclude undesirable elements following the antisocial and the mafia and the aggrandizing leaders, as well as religious fundamentalism especially of the alien religions. [I need to point out that since about the 14th cent., religions were thrust on Indians at the point of knite (Islamic demons) and through indoctrination and materialistic propaganda (Christianity), and even in these circumstances the Hindus were allowing them to take roots on the assumption that all religions are equal and lead to the same goal. At this point of time, religious conversions must be banned, even at INTERNATIONAL LEVEL, and existing flock sizes frozen for the various religions. Religious freedom must be redefined under international law, to exclude conversions totally, for whatever reason and under whatever pretext. This ban is long overdue due to the proven failure of religions to bring about global amity of mankind and its 'success' to sow seeds of disharmony and violence everywhere. Xians can provide succours to the needy but shall not convert. Etc.]

The pseudo-secularists should understand that inter-faith amity is the present historic necessity, and not freedom of religious conversions.

Well, Muthukaruppan, where does all this argument fit into Karnataka socio political argument. Well, I am not a separatist, to view take Karnataka out of India, and argue for a limb of a body. Separatism of course has become a trait in all the states of India, and for that very reason, separatism is not feasible for any of them. But yes, languages must be encouraged officially, to grow. But linguistic reorganization has NOT helped India in such a laudable objective. It has only spawned separatists in the name of linguistic parochialism, and its other achievement is to pervert our cultural and moral values.

I have spoken out what is the ONE AND THE ONLY available way out for Karnataka as THE TYPICAL Indian state.

]]> By: pulikeshi the last http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75394 pulikeshi the last Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:17:03 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75394 Tanay-- Murthygalantha harate kochchuva prachanda berilla. Tanay–

Murthygalantha harate kochchuva prachanda berilla.

]]> By: Pulikeshi the Last http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75233 Pulikeshi the Last Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:07:42 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75233 Doddi buddiyore, Yaake sumkaagbuttiddeeri? Doddi buddiyore,

Yaake sumkaagbuttiddeeri?

]]> By: Pulikeshi the Last http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75200 Pulikeshi the Last Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:49:13 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75200 Just happened to remember. When Kumaraswamy broke his power to make Yed CM, URA, whose faith in Indian democracy suspires in every word he utters, did not mind fascist President's Rule. Morality cannot bend with every wind. Remember Indiramma who said she had to suspend democracy only to save it? Just happened to remember. When Kumaraswamy broke his power to make Yed CM, URA, whose faith in Indian democracy suspires in every word he utters, did not mind fascist President’s Rule. Morality cannot bend with every wind. Remember Indiramma who said she had to suspend democracy only to save it?

]]> By: Anon http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75187 Anon Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:58:58 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75187 URA has been more interested in politics. I feel he misses a lot of good things in life because his vision is clouded with politics. URA has been more interested in politics. I feel he misses a lot of good things in life because his vision is clouded with politics.

]]> By: Tanay http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75162 Tanay Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:37:41 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75162 ನಾವೆಲ್ಲ ಸುಮ್ಮನೆ ಹರಟೆ ಕೊಚ್ಚುತ್ತಿರುವ ಹೊತ್ತಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಅನಂತಮೂರ್ತಿ ಜನರ ಮನಸ್ಸಿಗೆ ಕೆಲಸಕೊಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಸಿನಿಕರಾಗದೇ ನಾವು ಅವರ ಪ್ರನಾಳಿಕೆಯನ್ನು ಬೆಳೆಸಬೇಕು. ನಮ್ಮ ಕನಸುಗಳನ್ನೂ ಸೇರಿಸಬೇಕು. ನಮ್ಮ ರಾಜಕೀಯ- ಹಣದ ಅವಲಂಬನೆಯಿಂದ ಅಥವ ಹಣದ ಕತ್ತರಿಯಿಂದ ಹೊರಬರುವ ಹಾಗೆ ಮಾಡಬೇಕು. ನಮ್ಮ ಆರ್ಥಿಕ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ಕಾರ್ಪೊರೇಟ್ ಬಕಾಸುರರಿಗೆ ಈಡಾಗದಂತೆ ಮಾಡಬೇಕು. ಗುಬ್ಬಚ್ಚಿಗಳಂತೆ ಸರಳವಾಗಿ, ಸಹಜವಾಗಿ ಈ ನಾಡಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಬದುಕುವಂತಾಗಬೇಕು..... ನಾವೆಲ್ಲ ಸುಮ್ಮನೆ ಹರಟೆ ಕೊಚ್ಚುತ್ತಿರುವ ಹೊತ್ತಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಅನಂತಮೂರ್ತಿ ಜನರ ಮನಸ್ಸಿಗೆ ಕೆಲಸಕೊಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ಸಿನಿಕರಾಗದೇ ನಾವು ಅವರ ಪ್ರನಾಳಿಕೆಯನ್ನು ಬೆಳೆಸಬೇಕು. ನಮ್ಮ ಕನಸುಗಳನ್ನೂ ಸೇರಿಸಬೇಕು. ನಮ್ಮ ರಾಜಕೀಯ- ಹಣದ ಅವಲಂಬನೆಯಿಂದ ಅಥವ ಹಣದ ಕತ್ತರಿಯಿಂದ ಹೊರಬರುವ ಹಾಗೆ ಮಾಡಬೇಕು. ನಮ್ಮ ಆರ್ಥಿಕ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ಕಾರ್ಪೊರೇಟ್ ಬಕಾಸುರರಿಗೆ ಈಡಾಗದಂತೆ ಮಾಡಬೇಕು. ಗುಬ್ಬಚ್ಚಿಗಳಂತೆ ಸರಳವಾಗಿ, ಸಹಜವಾಗಿ ಈ ನಾಡಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಬದುಕುವಂತಾಗಬೇಕು…..

]]> By: Pulikeshi the Last http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75056 Pulikeshi the Last Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:48:07 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75056 JAS-- You point out a major contradiction in URA's thought process. He is crushed that India is Americanized, yet he wants our cities to be like American metropolises. JAS–

You point out a major contradiction in URA’s thought process. He is crushed that India is Americanized, yet he wants our cities to be like American metropolises.

]]> By: MariShyami http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75053 MariShyami Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:14:55 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75053 JAS: "Give H1B visa to ALL qualified Kannadigas." Small correction: ALL Kannadigas except the leftist URA who can be exported to Russia or China. JAS: “Give H1B visa to ALL qualified Kannadigas.”

Small correction: ALL Kannadigas except the leftist URA who can be exported to Russia or China.

]]> By: Melange http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75052 Melange Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:15:04 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75052 To reiterate the point over the great Indian Bureaucracy!! Read below: http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,,2271578,00.html Should one weep or laugh?! To reiterate the point over the great Indian Bureaucracy!!
Read below:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,,2271578,00.html

Should one weep or laugh?!

]]> By: JAS http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75038 JAS Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:46:30 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75038 Since NONE of the above suggestions in URA's manifesto will ever happen in my lifetime, I suggest you make 1 final suggestion - 1, Give H1B visa to ALL qualified Kannadigas. That way all qualified Kannadigas can get out of Karnataka & live happily in USA where all the above suggestions have been met since 1900. Great schooling, bicycle path, park, beach, chain mall, small shop, whatever you want. If you want Kannada you pay $14.95 for Udaya TY through Dish Network, you can have Kannada also, right here in USA. Since NONE of the above suggestions in URA’s manifesto will ever happen in my lifetime, I suggest you make 1 final suggestion -

1, Give H1B visa to ALL qualified Kannadigas.

That way all qualified Kannadigas can get out of Karnataka & live happily in USA where all the above suggestions have been met since 1900. Great schooling, bicycle path, park, beach, chain mall, small shop, whatever you want. If you want Kannada you pay $14.95 for Udaya TY through Dish Network, you can have Kannada also, right here in USA.

]]> By: OtherWise http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75019 OtherWise Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:11:09 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75019 Point to add: 1. Intellectuals should be banned from (unnecessarily) commenting on anything and everyting. Point to add:
1. Intellectuals should be banned from (unnecessarily) commenting on anything and everyting.

]]> By: Sathya http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-75002 Sathya Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:25:00 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-75002 G, one more may be added, free burial/cremation for all at state expenses. That means Govt will take care of everything from womb to tomb. Go on offering and people will go on receiving. Free is free to everybody in all walks of life. Jai Karnataka Political Parties! G, one more may be added, free burial/cremation for all at state expenses. That means Govt will take care of everything from womb to tomb. Go on offering and people will go on receiving. Free is free to everybody in all walks of life. Jai Karnataka Political Parties!

]]> By: Pulikeshi the last http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/a-peoples-manifesto-for-the-2008-elections/#comment-74973 Pulikeshi the last Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:05:24 +0000 http://churumuri.wordpress.com/?p=2294#comment-74973 We all sound pretty much like URA even as we disagree with him. In all these responses we say that such and such a thing should be done. By whom is the question. Let's start with that rickety document. Rewrite the constitution. We all sound pretty much like URA even as we disagree with him. In all these responses we say that such and such a thing should be done. By whom is the question.

Let’s start with that rickety document. Rewrite the constitution.

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