ANANTH SHENOY forwards a self-explanatory report from Deccan Herald that opens up some evergreen questions: Is Karnataka too big for its own good? Are its politicians and administrators incapable of keeping every part of the State happy? Is it time to split the State a la Uttar Pradesh if they can’t get their act right, if they can’t keep everybody, everywhere happy and wanted? Or is the alienation of different parts and peoples of the State real or is it all in the mind?
Mangalore, April 22: The demand for Tulu statehood is still alive, said Kannada Sahitya Parishat former president Harikrishna Punaroor. Speaking after flagging off the Tulu Ther here on Saturday, he said people’s representatives and government had done injustice to Tulu Nadu. Tuluvas should be united to rectify these injustice meted against them.
He said Tuluvas are not opposed to Kannada. But to fight against injustice meted on Tulu, people of Dakshina Kannada, Udupi and Kasargod districts should unite. With the entry of mega industries, the water and the land is getting polluted in the coastal district. This also has an impact on Tulunadu culture, daivasthana and religious tradition.
Tags: Churumuri, Deccan Herald, Harikrishna Punaroor, Tulu Nadu
23 April 2008 at 6:00 pm
Tulu statehood is BS!they are already assimilated into kannada speaking natives also in kasaragode,kerala,they are much more happier and made themself as a part of malyalees too.
though,North Karnataka from Hubballi onwards is a reality!
Thx chulbuli for posting this interesting topic :D
23 April 2008 at 11:44 pm
Yea – North Karnataka is a reality! ;-)
23 April 2008 at 11:55 pm
LOL…I wonder why Punaroor didn’t boycott KSP. That would have been a real nice move to show his displeasure!!!
Well, Karnataka is not in any special situation here. The separatists movement will be there evrywhere, all the time. If you have more than one human being, there is bound to be differences, it’s not rocket science.
Look at Telangana, look at Vidarbha, look at Saurashtra, look at Bodoland. Infact, the movement in Karnataka is nothing compared to some others.
For that matter, look at Chechenya, Kashmir, Catalonia…….
For one, you can NEVER keep everyone happy. That does not mean, dividing a state will solve the ‘problems’.
It is the duty of any state to make sure all people are heard and are happy. But come on, state can go to a certain length. Society has a bigger role to play.
A close friend of mine whose mopther tongue is Tulu, spekas Kannada at home (and she is a prolific writer in Kannada). For heaven’s sake, Punaroor and gang should stop playing petty politics. Bring the issues out, but don’t make it an ‘agenda’. Well, we all know how KSP presidents behave, don’t we?
24 April 2008 at 12:04 am
tulu , coorg , north karnataka and then GOWDA nadu , etc.,Good , now what would be the reaction of the KRV and th other fringe elements in society who have been bad mouthing and targeting the migrants and people who are born in Karnataka but belong to other states.
24 April 2008 at 12:50 am
Go ahead and divide by all means. Multiply by division…the same existing problems. Instead of complaining over Karnataka’s neglect, the Tuluva would only go through the entire lifecycle of woes –corrupt politicians of Tulunadu, feelings of disparity among Dakas, Udupians, Kasargodians; Make molehills out of the mountains and sit inside equally despondent –your cries will not even be heard across the mountain.
24 April 2008 at 1:27 am
Had there not been all that demented talk about taking the control of the Krishna temple out of the hands of the mathas, this claim perhaps would not have arisen.
Let’s allow all distinct regions in Karnataka to become states in their own right. We can bring back into life our old, happy, prosperous Mysore State and make Prince Srikanthadattha Wodeyar our king.
Good news for those vociferous admirers of Vikram Sampath’s book.
24 April 2008 at 2:47 am
Looking at KRV and the like, I fully support the cause of Tulu land
24 April 2008 at 3:26 am
It ain’t happenin’ as they say around here in the US. Not the establishment of the state, but the solution to whatever their problem.
As for Punaroor, this is the man who edited an author’s acknowledgment in a book being reprinted by the KSP to include his own name, and dated it long after the author’s death!
24 April 2008 at 6:48 am
Harekrishna is also one of Karnataka’s Draupadis. The rest are in the process of being morphed by the Dushyaasanaas of all parties. No Krishna to save us. I certainly don’t mean the bewigged, toothless adiyaalu of the Doresaani in Dilli.
24 April 2008 at 8:42 am
The call for splitting the states into smaller units are everywhere, Karnataka, A.P, UP, Maharashtra, W. Bengal. Nothing heard from Tamilnadu and M.P.
Finally it is coming back to the suggestion by late Sardar KM Panikkar, member of the state re-organization committee who argued for smaller states for uniform and better administration. At least hegemony particular states or linguistic groups could have been avoided in national administration and the present culture of dynastic rule as well.
24 April 2008 at 10:53 am
Dear All,
I am sorry but we cannot have states named after body parts! Can we have Kivinadu, Thalenadu, Moogunadu and so on? Come on,,,
24 April 2008 at 11:10 am
If people like Siddaramaiah and URA around, this is ought to happen. The point of being exploited for their natural resources and not giving them their share, makes quite a sense. But separation is no medicine.
A weird thought though — let them be successful in forming a new state out of Dakshina Kannada, Udipi and Kasaragodu. After some years down the line, let them join back Karnataka, along with Kasaragodu!
24 April 2008 at 1:56 pm
Doddi Buddi,
You are funny, but I guess it might tub people the wrong way!
24 April 2008 at 3:57 pm
It’s probably the best thing to do. Split up places like Coorg and South canara into separate states that can be administered more easily. Successive Karnataka governments have neglected these areas. You just need to look at the roads and inftrastructure provided to these regions.
24 April 2008 at 7:28 pm
churumuri’s recent comments roster, on the right side of the front page reads …
Taleharate on ‘Demand for Tulu statehood is alive and ticking’
there are signs everywhere i thought.
TH, no offence to you solpa artha maaDkoLi.
24 April 2008 at 8:35 pm
DB maarayre–
Puttananja is right. I have my own problems with your wise suggestion. All kinds of gender based issues enter the picture and some parts will have to remain nameless.
The rest of you–
Why do we even need a state? Have our lives become materially better after 1956?
24 April 2008 at 9:31 pm
I thought I knew kannada, so I’m puzzled to learn that “tulu” is some body part??? Yaaradru dayavittu bidisi heli.
24 April 2008 at 10:07 pm
DB,
Guruve, yeake shiva!!!!!
Well to put in your own words…..Yeano swalpa jaasthi togonda haage idhe haagae swalpa malkondu rest takoLLi!!!!!!! :-)
25 April 2008 at 5:56 am
KR,
Ee contextnalli “bidisi” anno pada sooktha alla.
26 April 2008 at 1:10 am
I was happy in Old Mysore!
26 April 2008 at 9:22 am
I am happy in New Mysore!
27 April 2008 at 11:05 pm
VP,
I stand by what I said. There will always be a Tulunadu in the hearts and minds of people who live in Kanara. There will always be a Kodagu despite the huge influx of Mallus and rich Kongas. Now, you have to be careful when you ask for a separate statehood which IMHO is a disgrace! That is why I had to remind you in my own way that these areas are akin to body parts of Karnataka. I hope you agree with me now.
5 October 2008 at 11:09 pm
I’m a tuluvas . I don’t want any tulunadu state but i want tulu script to be taught in schools. This is the only way to put fullstop to issue. This will help to preserve tulu culture and k’taka ’s views .
5 November 2008 at 10:16 pm
The need for a seperate states isjustified on the context of saving the traditionls.. It can be better for these induvidual communities to grow, rather then keeping them all in our cluthes.. Its apity to see the structure of infrasturure, and development in DK, NK, kodagu etc..
We should give up in case they do not want tobe with Karnataka, rather then suppressing them.
18 January 2009 at 1:09 pm
i want seprate tulunadu state, bcoz if it doesnt happen in anther 10 years , kannada people vl kill tulu, nw only many shivalli brahmins, tulu protestent christians nd jains have started speaking kannada nd karnataka vl never support tulu ,konkani or kodava languages…. nw v can c in all regions karnataka rakshana vedike is coming up… nw if v doesnt get up then in anthr few years v hav to tell ther was language called tulu like pali nd many more extint languages
29 January 2009 at 11:04 pm
Tulu is being dominated & is being killed by Kannada ,Karnataka is generalising the issue that whole of karanataka is kannada speaking. Tulu is a major langauge ,When we have smaller state than Tulunadu ,why not form a state . Why should our children forcefully learn others mother tounge ,instead of our own mother .
17 February 2009 at 4:36 pm
Dear Kannadiga brothers dont get offended by this comment..
Whats wrong in Tulus having their own state… Tulu is definitely a different language from Kannada.. and when every major language has its own state.. why TULU NADU alone be suppressed..
See its not a normal kannadiga who cause problem to Tuluvas.. But fanatics who threaten the Native Tuluvas of the three districts with Tulu majority are the real problems… KRV is not for the sake of Tulu its only for the Kannada.. same way all major things are for Kannada only..
the first state A.P. formed from madras due to its own neglect from the influential majority rite.. same way Tulus are dominated by kannadigs.. whats wrong if Tuluvas have a state for their own..
Can Kannadigas tolerate if Tulu is imposed on them… same way Tuluvas dont want any imposition..
It will be right time.. if All Tuluvas from Kasasgod to Udupi.. join hands and request the central government to form a Tulu Nadu.. atleast a slightly smaller one than the actual… in case Tuluvas have to pay a price for that..
Jai Tulu Nadu.. Jai Karnataka.. Jai Hind
17 February 2009 at 4:39 pm
Dear Tuluva Brothers and sisters…
Dont let the mother Tulu to die.. It hurts any indian when a language dies.. please come forward for a seperate Tulu Nadu..
21 February 2009 at 3:33 pm
some people are telling there is demand for separate in other states too ….. but i vl appose that separation bcoz telagana speaks telagu , vidarbh speaks marathi nd saurastra speaks gujrathi … bt here its diferent tulunadu language is tulu , coorg is kodava , nd north canara is konkani so i thnk it should be separate state
22 February 2009 at 12:51 am
For those whose mother tongue is tulu has the rights to learn tulu scripts …but karnataka govt. (kannada people) dosent want this to happen , because they are scared if this is done then the communication will be entirely in tulu scripts and no kannada will be found in DK and udupi .So its not been allowed to teach in schools;This is slowly killing the language day by day forcebly in a place where it was born . so i support to have a seperate state . (Atleast our script and language will not get extinct). And it must happen as we see in India all other languages have its own state .
23 February 2009 at 1:47 am
Dear Tuluva brothers and Sisters…
If we are scared we will get vanished.. please become aware of our descendents identity crisis.. see we are not against Kannada,, we are only Tuluva Indians.. So a seperate Tulu Nadu is not something against the national integrity..see a Kannadiga needs a Karnataka.. Marathi needs Maharashtra.. oriya needs Orissa.. AND TULUVA fellow has to live in a state that doesnt give him and his mother tongue due respect and recognition…
I blame the central government that reformed the boundaries of indian states based on the Languages.. din they know Tulu is different from Kannada..
So atleast Late and not never.. claim our native land.. let it be for Tulu.. may be the official language of the new state can be Kannada also.. but a Tulu Nadu is essential.. I hope to see a Tulu Nadu such that all Tuluvas will be proud in my life time.. so first permeat this idea to all Tulu Speaking persons.. first lets imagine our Goal TULU NADU.. and later on it will Actualize itself..
Jai Tulu Nadu..
24 February 2009 at 1:49 am
Hi all,
Being a tuluva i suport to have our own state . But how it can be achieved.
25 February 2009 at 1:42 pm
first of all tulu is an ancient language as old as tamil.Secondly tuluvas have always had a separate identity.Therefore creation of tulu nadu should not really bother kannadigas.And also the great vijaynagara king krishnadevraya was also a tuluva not a kannadiga.Therefore kannada freaks tamils anyways don’t like u and now don’t make the tuluvas,kodavas and konkani people despise u as well.I have nothing against kannada but i really hate the kannada chauvanist
26 February 2009 at 1:45 am
Because of dirty politics by kannada govt. being scared of tuluvas becoming united ..they just broke our tulunad into pieces as kasargod…udupi and mangalore ……If they are so worried about Belgam beging karnataka , y the same people let kasargod to go to kerala….this is because it was the land of tuluvas and these kannada people just followed the divide and rule method….tulunad covers from kasargood to udupi-kundapur to sringeri to mudugeri to sakleshpur to sullia to mangalore……beacuse of kannda now people have totally forgotton tulu scripts and in kasargod all is getting covered with malayali….but how can it be regained back as a state??
26 February 2009 at 1:46 am
jai tulunad
28 February 2009 at 2:10 am
First yearn for a Tulu Nadu.. then there shall be one.. See Telangana is not some thing easy to obtain but still there is chance.. but see only if Tuluvas raise their voice and tell the central government and make every one aware of a separate tulu nadu there shall be a time when Tuluvas can have a state of thier own..
Take the first step..
start a web site for a separate Tulu Nadu first.. and then a forum.. but i don know how many Tuluvas will support this.. and how many will feel Proud of Tulu..
28 February 2009 at 2:26 pm
Dear Tuluvans,
What is the point? To save the language or get statehood? Also why bother relearning the ‘Malayalam’ script?:) I think you should all try and write to each other in Tulu script and then hope for better things. Also do you by chance mean Marathi script when you talk of Tulu script?:)
28 February 2009 at 8:48 pm
For every person, his mother-tongue is something very close to the heart. Be it a Catalan, Walloon or Bangladeshi. Just like Catalans cant tolerate the imposition of Spanish, Tuluvas have every right to fear the extinction of their language by imposition of Kannada. And the KaRaVe is only exacerbating the situation. At the same time, to quote K.M. Panikker, viewing a seperate state as a “homeland” for safeguarding the traditions of a language is equally dangerous and threatens the unity of the Indian Republic.
1 March 2009 at 12:24 am
How will separate Tulu Nadu demand be a dangerous thing to indian republic.. when Andhra was formed from Madras wasnt it dangerous.. Tuluvas are facing the same situation that Andhrites faced those days.. sever identity crisis..
Is KRV not a danger to indian republic. Tulu nadu is not going to some other country, its just a rearrangement within the Indian nation according to the need of the hour.
If there is no action taken atleast now, the Indian history books will say, from Udupi to Kasargod there was a language widely spoken called Tulu and now its no where spoken. Though what I have told is an exxageration, there is probability, god forbid, for such a thing to happen.
Tuluva Youths, for association and fight for rights. Do spread this message and keep at the back of your mind that Tulu nadu should be actualised.
Jai Tulu Nadu..
17 March 2009 at 8:22 am
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=57742&n_tit=Mangalore%3A+Tulu+Not+as+Weak+as+Made+Out+to+Be+%2D+Dr+Nandavar
see this link about the language getting extinct….
17 March 2009 at 12:29 pm
Here is a little unasked for homily for Kittylanders!
If you want your language to survive you should stubbornly refuse all modernization efforts and claim everything originated from ‘your’ language. Look at the case of Tamil. Kongas are forever discovering new things in their language while claiming in a brain-from-body separation way that all languages originated from ‘waariginal’ Tamil. Their scholars are forever writing PhD thesis in Tamil on esoteric topics such as how children were raised in Tamil immersion culture dating back to stoneage!
Next, campaign in front of Karavali-based papers to print at least two-three pages of Karavali news in Tulu. Of course feel free to use a script closer Kannada. A Malayalam script may kind of decelerate your cause.
More homilies in my next post.
17 March 2009 at 6:03 pm
DB,
Enri sir, cycle gap alli hegella comments haakidiri , http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/is-the-demand-for-tulu-statehood-still-alive/#comment-76058 :) Sadhyakke yaaru nimmanna apartha maadkolilvalla :)
24 March 2009 at 4:53 pm
Dear tuluvas, remember one thing this is a place to discuss about only Tulu and nothing else. Tulu scholars know what script to use. And what ever any Kannadiga may feel, i dont care, but separate Tulu nadu is the only solution to the current identity crisis faced by our community. Thanks to the mindless youth of today who learn all language other than Tulu. Speak your mothertounge and it doesnt matter you are able to speak the so called official languages. Official languages are created. But mother tounge is your born with you. So speak and keep Tulu alive. Trust me if you dont do this, many unfortunate things will happen.
Sadly,
A Tulu Nadu loyal..
http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=57742&n_tit=Mangalore%3A+Tulu+Not+as+Weak+as+Made+Out+to+Be+-+Dr+Nandavar
19 May 2009 at 11:40 am
Wat “tullu nad” ? There’s only karunadu in karnataka and tat’s final… Instead of wasting ur time askin for seperate state here,go n work towards progress of ur community… “hard work yields to profit…idle talk brings only wants”
21 May 2009 at 4:57 pm
I am from kasaragode.
tulu script is similar to malayalam?wrong.malayalam script is almost the old tulu script.malyalam is a new language.malayalam is formed out of tamil,tulu,sanskruta,arabic language influences.
while malayalees are may be different as in the blood line from nairs ,syrian christians(so called armenian jews),moplah muslims(arabic blood).but Malayalam unites them all.We Tuluvas were most closer to malayalam along with kodavas.
parashu rama created kerala from gokarna to kanyakumari.why not make a state out of current westcoast from gokarna to kanyakumari?although languages are different ,westcoast share many a similarities.
malayalam speakers are luckier that they are able to escape kannada,tamil influence by seperate state.I will prefer to be in kerala rather than part of karnataka where my language and culture is subsided by kannada enforcement.
29 May 2009 at 3:18 am
Well Said Aditi,I am also from kasargode.Let us join Parashurama’s Lands together,From Gokarna to Kanyakumari.Atleast Kerala goverment started Tulu Academy in Manjeshwar to protect Tulu language.Let us not divide state in the name of language.Divide it by geography.Keralites,Mangalorians and Koorgies look similar,share almost similar culture, food habits, and when we closely observe even language.
30 May 2009 at 8:32 pm
kasargod shouldnt be added in karnataka … it shold be a part of new tulunadu state .. thats frm kalyanpur to chandragiri..
30 June 2009 at 4:19 pm
helooooooooo…….. all are dead here, the new 10 aspirent states has announced but therz no tulunadu
30 June 2009 at 10:31 pm
Dear All,
Considering the sheer number of delusional types here I would like to ask what ‘Roma’ did ole Parushram used in creating this Land? Methinks it probably came from below the waistline considering the attractive women who seem to be very popular in Mumbai these days:)
I am all for Tulu language but for a State based on Tulu is madness! I can clearly see a few crypto-Tuluvas shedding copious tears about the Kannada domination and shit! These dudes are laughable and should be laughed out of Karnataka.
Also Mallu mischief is legendary and I find it sad to see some impressionable morons towing their line of Tulu Statehood! Che che bahala anyaya!
7 July 2009 at 2:13 pm
tulu state is good.but most tuluvas are migratory in nature.they are into bombay,madras and other prominent cities.most tuluvas are absorbed into kannada identity.
although,I agree that Tuluvas are closer to malyalis and kodavas ,their culture is now completely lost for kannadiga.so ,at the time ,tulunadu is impractical.stick with karnataka.