Editorial in The Indian Express:
“Eighteen years after it was first installed, it looks like Bangalore might finally get to glimpse Tamil poet-saint Thiruvalluvar’s graven image. So much Tamil pride is bound up with the sainted Thiruvalluvar; and much Kannada pride hinges on countering Tamil grandiosity….
“Statues make powerful statements about their time and context. They can be abiding symbols of civic pride or relics of a long-ago past. The toppling of statues is the Kodak moment for historical change. The Karnataka-Tamil Nadu statue saga though is something else altogether. It is a monument to intransigent identity politics, the squabbles that can erupt out of apparent nothings and feed into a vast and pointless animus.”
Read the full article: Casting the first stone
Also read: Who said, ‘If fools claim they are right, agree’?
Tags: Churumuri, Sans Serif, Sarvagna, Sarvajna, The Indian Express, Thiruvalluvar
5 August 2009 at 3:00 pm
This is typical of how the rootless react. What is important to the masses is least important for these worthies.
Thiruvalluvara being important to the Tamil and righteuos (of the anti-open kind) Kannadiga indignation against it’s (statue)installation is all such a big boring joke to these pseudo intellectual rascals!
5 August 2009 at 5:35 pm
nobody cares abt valluvar’s works neither has any read them. This statue installation is solely for the purpose of pleasing the black spectacle guy so that he might try stoppin the illegal work being carried out @ hogenekall. Huh!
Nobody cares for the masses cry…
My post on this in Kannada goes here
5 August 2009 at 6:11 pm
yella ok. i agree with most of it. one major mistake. team ka has no problems with ta being declared classical. i dunno one diga who has said that. rightly fully so. ta is classical and deserves all the benefits that being labeled as one brings it.
it is team ta that has a problem with ka being declared one.
we are all proto-dravidian ok. but we branched off early and well. and have as much of a valid claim to the dravidian halo as anybody else or his uncle. for some weird reason, the tamils assume that they are more dravidian than others and uber autochthonous than the rest. hello every tom and dick and harry this side of that divide has been around for as long if not longer. what distinguishes us is that the rest of the dravidians are not gung ho about wiping off their evolution – things and characteristics we acquired along the way – and return to some uber pure condition and thank god for that.
5 August 2009 at 9:22 pm
I am sure Thiruvallavar (or whatever, of I got the spelling wrong) never imagined that there would be a bandh because of him and I guess neither did Sarvajna.
I do not understand for some people why is language, culture, religion, or some ism more important over human beings. If people forget people over time, its natural and does not hurt Thiruvallavar or Sarvajna. They do not bother, because they are dead.
Language, culture, religion, customs and other 101 isms are there for us, we are not there for it. Change is part of life, there are thousands of languages, cultures and religions wiped out. One more to the list, does not matter and no one can change it. We need not weep over how Basavanagudi has changed or the missing vegetable shop in Malleswaram, its all just a part of evolution.
For conservatives, issues like culture, language and religions are like museums. They do not want it to change because they can feel nostalgic about it. People living in it are like museum artifacts, does not matter if it is impeding their growth. You have to speak Kannada because I feel good when I come here once in 2 years, given a choice I choose to live in NY though.
For me, museums are not important, people are.
Watching – do not bother replying, I guess I am ‘rootless’ because I spent my childhood walking 8 km to school everyday in the torrential rains of malnad, nothing to be nostalgic about – unlike Basavanagudi crowd.
5 August 2009 at 10:52 pm
Abhi makes some very silly and shallow observations.
I’ll respond anyways.
Firstly, traditionalists more than mere conservatives want their traditions to be living. They want to be able to practice them and adhere to norms.
This is also because these traditions have “experienced and evolved” with life. Their life.their family, their ancestry.
Secondly, when we speak of life and its experiences we speak of the fullness of life in all it’s manifestations. These include religion, culture, language etc. So to a traditionalist who wants live by his traditions these manifestations matter because they carry his experiences of life in his environment. They are his roots.
Abhi seems to have turned against his own because he did not ride in a school bus. Pity.
6 August 2009 at 5:05 pm
Tamilians are trouble makers everywhere they go – Singapore, Malaysia, Fiji, Karnataka etc. Their statue should not be allowed to be installed. For that matter nobody’s new statue need to be installed anywhere in Karnataka.
6 August 2009 at 8:01 pm
Now we will have an Inspector of Police with 10 constables will be on duty to guard the statue. A recurring expenditure on our people.
6 August 2009 at 9:09 pm
Dharma, such is the price we must pay for not following the logic of linguistic divisions.
And linguistic states still are the best buy on ideas.
7 August 2009 at 7:00 am
We can ask Maya to send some Statue’s down for installation. It should be Maya with Manamohan or somebody from Nehru family, there will not be any objection!
9 August 2009 at 10:21 pm
Karnataka’s offer to unveil the statue of Tamil poet Thiruvalluvar in Halasuru, the heart of Bengaluru – in exchange for Tamil Nadu’s offer to erect a statue of Kannada poet Sarvajna in a no-man’s land in a godforsaken corner of Chennai called Aynavaram is an example of how one flawed ideology can end up wasting public money and public attention on private nonsense.
And you thought the BJP govt. will fight on Karnataka’s side? Think again!
The chief minister of Karnataka stooping to the extent of saying that he treats Kannada and Tamil (as well as Karnataka and Tamil Nadu) “on par” is one of the worst jokes being played on Karnataka today. One questions whether Mr. Yeddyurappa has read his offer of employment correctly! Does he realize at all that he is the chief minister of one linguistic state in India called Karnataka? He is certainly expected to treat Kannada preferentially over Tamil. He is certainly expected to treat Karnataka preferentially over Tamil Nadu.
If his party and its ideology are against the Govt. of Karnataka treating Karnataka preferentially, someone needs to quickly explain why at all Mr. Yeddyurappa & Co. is in power. What are they doing in the Vidhana Soudha if not treating Kannada, Kannadiga and Karnataka preferentially?
The RSS / BJP ideology of reality avoidance
Two words can summarize the flawed ideology of the RSS / BJP: reality avoidance.
In this flawed ideology, there is no Kaveri river. Inhale, exhale. There is no Hogenakal. Inhale, exhale. There is no problem which Kannadigas face in Tamil Nadu. Inhale, exhale. Migrant Tamils aren’t disrespecting Karnataka by not learning Kannada. Inhale, exhale. There is no PIL filed in Tamil Nadu against Kannada being declared as a Classical Language. Inhale, exhale. And yeah, there is no Kannada, no Tamil. Inhale, exhale. Even if they are, they’re not Dravidian languages. Inhale, exhale. That’s a fabrication of the British. Inhale, exhale. There’s only Sanskrit which is the mother of not just these two languages, but all the languages in the world. The daughters resolve into the mother in the end-game, so all the daughters (who can’t even be considered as existing) – please keep quiet and return to mommy! Inhale, exhale.
In short, there is no dispute, no conflict. Inhale, exhale. There can’t be one. How can there be an internal conflict in Bharat? Inhale, exhale. There is only total peace. Inhale, exhale. Close your eyes, take a deep breath, say “OM” and you’ll realize that there is not a single chord of dissonance between the two states. Inhale, exhale. In fact, there are no two states, no border between them! Inhale, exhale. There is one single Bharatmata – a woman in a pink saree with a zari border, a saffron flag in hand who if allowed to speak shall speak in Sanskrit which all of India must understand in order to deserve to be called India. Inhale, exhale. By the way, the lion next to her responds to Sanskrit, too, and can single-handedly ward off all types of enemies – nothing else is needed, just the lion is good enough. It’s a sophisticated, swadeshi weapon of mass destruction. Inhale, exhale. It was sleeping when Warren Hastings was casting his eye on her, and hasn’t had a wink of sleep after the RSS was founded. Inhale, exhale.
This, in summary, is the reality avoidance on which the RSS is founded, an offshoot of which flawed ideology is the BJP, and whose Karnataka chief is today the chief minister of Karnataka. As per this flawed ideology, one of the parties needs to give up in order to stop “internal disputes” in India so that the India of RSS’s invention remains conflict-free. If the perennial winner doesn’t give up, the perennial loser should – in the interest of Bharat. What’s the life of 5.5 crore Kannadigas in comparison to the rest of Bharatmata’s children? Trivial.
The RSS and BJP would rather suppress legitimate internal protests against the ill-effects of its reality avoidance than admit in public that there is a definite conflict between the two states – a conflict which their flawed ideology prevents from even acknowledging – let alone solving in real terms. So in their ideology, conflicts are solved by denying their existence. Smart, eh?
The message Karnataka should have delivered to Tamil Nadu
Even those who have supported the Govt. of Karnataka in this move can never forget how Tamil Nadu treats Karnataka on the actual diplomatic turf: it sucks Karnataka dry of its rightful share of Karnataka’s own river waters by blackmailing the central coalition government, continues to act like the British used to during the days of the Madras Presidency, objects to Kannada being declared as a Classical language, sends migrant workers to Bangalore who have the audacity to impose Tamil on Kannadigas instead of learning Kannada themselves, encroaches on Karnataka in the border areas (very recently on Hogenakal which is a part of Karnataka), and has in the not so distant past gobbled up large districts such as the Nilgiris and imposed Tamil on the Kannadigas there.
Instances of Karnataka winning or even achieving a draw against Tamil Nadu in the diplomatic game are available only in the pre-British era. Karnataka has been the perennial loser ever after the British set foot on India.
Thanks to Mr. Yeddyurappa’s government, Karnataka has repeated the message that we’re once again open to be fooled, once again unguarded, once again not interested in our own interests, once again irrational. Once again, the Govt. of Karnataka has repeated the message that it’s not concerned about Kannada, Kannadigas and Karnataka any more than it’s concerned about Tamil, Tamilians and Tamil Nadu. Karnataka has once again showed that it doesn’t know how to play the game.
Long-term cooperation between two parties is not achieved by only one party making sacrifices. Yet, this is exactly what Karnataka has done. History, where no cooperation has resulted from Karnataka playing the perennial underdog, has apparently been no teacher today.
Nobody seems to understand that if Karnataka has to give Tamil Nadu any message today, it’s the message that Tamil Nadu might have fooled us in the past, but it cannot continue to fool us for ever. This is not the time to talk about the beauty or sanctity of Thiruvalluvar’s poetry – it’s entirely irrelevant. This is not the time to award an ill-treating neighbour by eulogizing a poet from there. Yet, this is exactly what the Govt. of Karnataka has done.
Tailpiece
Q: How come Thiruvalluvar and Sarvajna exist for the RSS / BJP when their ideology is one of reality avoidance?
A: They don’t exist, silly – both resolve into Veda Vyasa. Didn’t you get that? Inhale, exhale.
Q: Then what’s this statue business?
A: A way of showing that there is no dispute inside Bharat, silly. Inhale, exhale.
Q: To whom?
A: To Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani and Warren Hastings, silly. Inhale, exhale.
Q: How come Bharat exists?
A: Bharat is beyond reality, so reality avoidance cannot avoid it, silly. Inhale, exhale.
Q: How come Gilani and Hastings exist?
A: Acccording to the great modern sages of this country, reality avoidance is a universal Vedic principle which applies to entities within Bharat only – such as Kannada and Tamil. Everything else exists and exists to harm Bharat in one way or the other, silly. Inhale, exhale.
Q: Wait a minute, isn’t Warren Hastings dead? How can he exist?
A: His ghost is still snooping around trying to re-capture Bharat, silly – this is what happens to those who don’t drink the water of the Ganga and/or eat beef. He’s waiting for the precise moment when the heads of state of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka come to the negotiation table to discuss mutual issues like a couple of adults. And then he’ll strike. And then the lion will forget its magic mantra because of a previous-life sin and won’t be able to inflict any harm on the enemy. Just read M. S. Golwalkar’s Bunch of Thoughts for mathematical proof (we mean Vedic mathematics). Inhale, exhale.
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Mr. Yeddyurappa’s stroke of genius
Speaking at a function to unveil the statue of a Tamil poet in Benglauru, Mr. Yeddyurappa, chief minister of Karnataka is quoted to have said:
“All farmers, irrespective of their language, should get water to their crop. Both Karnataka and Tamil Nadu Governments should make sure that the crops do not perish for want of water. Thiruvalluvar and Sarvajna’s words should guide us in every walk of life. ”
Ah – what a stroke of genius! All farmers should get water to their crop. Wow! Hey, if only human beings knew this before today!
Little does Mr. Yeddyurappa know, or even seem to give a damn, about the fact that farmers on the Karnataka side of the border have themselves perished because of being historically cheated and denied their legal share of Kaveri water by the British and now by the Central Govt which is always under electoral blackmail by Tamil Nadu.
To whom must Kannadigas direct their centuries old pain, their anguish, their agony, the cries of the families of all those farmers? To Mr. Yeddyurappa’s govt. which treats both Tamils and Kannadigas “on par”? Nobody, nobody with any grey cells can believe that this govt. – driven by reality avoidance – has what it takes to set right the wounds that Tamil Nadu is inflicting on Kannadigas right under its nose as we speak – let alone historical wounds!
10 August 2009 at 12:35 am
Ravi T makes some sensible notes but then totally misses the plot in his “hate Hindutva” fog.
His long sensible tripe does not explain how or why pre-BJP govts failed as miserably if not worse.
I completely agree with him that the RSS and the BJP avoid reality. But is that not an Indian political trait? Is this not how this country fares in the outside world? Just as badly?
The truth is we like our little games within the borders.
But Tamilians are better. They are aggressive inside and outside. That’s the way we should be in KA and as Indians.
There is no conflict here so long as we don’t believe that such surrenders are party specific.
They are not and that’s the bitter truth which makes it so much tougher to correct.
I’ll ask Ravi T this.
Does he think a BJP govt in TN will be less aggressive wrt its State interests?
10 August 2009 at 2:45 am
Hands down, the most eloquent and logical comment on us and our behaviour. Thanks, Ravi.
Karnataka without India is entirely probable. What have we gotten as members of the Union of Indian States in sixty years? A few morsels here and there. And we don’t even know how to bark, let alone bite.
10 August 2009 at 5:01 am
What I have learnt from “Prathima Naataka:”
Karunanidhi’s wife’s name is Dayaal(z)u Amma.
He knows at least two hundred of Sarvajna’s vachanaas by heart.
Yediyurappa is his “thambi.”
All Kannadigas are invited to watch Sarvajna uncovered in Chennai.
Our chief minister took extra trouble to thank the kannada men of letters who publicly supported the unmasking of Thiruvalluvar.
10 August 2009 at 11:48 am
After Ravi T’s discourse, I guess PTL’s sessesionist thought could not have been far behind.
So Sir. Can you provide us with a rough blueprint of how this is to be won and independence maintained? Who will gurantee our existence? Which country will intervene to support us if the Rest oF India threaten our new nation? Sri Lanka?
Breast beating is fine. But please don’t beat it so hard that the damn heart stop’s functioning.
10 August 2009 at 3:23 pm
Personally i dont feel we kannadigas are down from this statue row. Its just KRV’s propoganda. These people dont have any work and they will wait for suitable time to create contraversies.
KRV kannadigara representative alla. KRV’s bangalore bandh was a big failure. All kannadigas are not with KRV’s and its fanatic follower’s false propoganda.
I welcome the decision of statue exchanges between the two states. Hope Cauvery row will also be sorted out in a freindly manner in future.
10 August 2009 at 6:20 pm
ange gowdre,,
maatigomme KRV na baiyyodu yaak sir?
avarenu murthi na kurisodu tappu anta helilla. avaru heliddu, sarvajna na murthige ondolle jaagaa kodi, eradu onde dina anavarana maadi, chennai li haakiro PIL tegasi antashte keliddu. adu hege tappaagutte sir?
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ತಿರುವಳ್ಳುವರ್ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪಿಸಿ ಕನ್ನಡ-ತಮಿಳರ ನಡುವೆ ಶಾಂತಿ, ಪ್ರೀತಿ ತುಂಬಿ, ಸಣ್ಣ ಮನಸ್ಸಿನ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರನ್ನು ದೊಡ್ಡ ಮನಸ್ಸಿನ ತಮಿಳರನ್ನು ಬೆಸೆದು, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ಮನಸ್ಸಲ್ಲಿದ್ದ ಸಣ್ಣತನವೆಂಬ ಮೂರ್ತಿಯನ್ನು ಕಿತ್ತೆಸೆದು, ಹೊಗೆನಕಲ್ ಕಿರಿಕಿರಿ, ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ಅಡ್ಡಗಾಲು, ಕಾವೇರಿ ನೀರಿಗೆ ತಗಾದೆ, ಹೀಗೆ ತಮಿಳರು ನಮಗೆ ನೀಡಿರುವ, ನೀಡುತ್ತಿರುವ ಹಲವು ತೊಂದರೆಗಳನ್ನೆಲ್ಲ ವಿಷ ಕಂಠನಂತೆ ನುಂಗಿಕೊಂಡು, ಇತಿಹಾಸದಲ್ಲೇ ಮೊದಲ ಬಾರಿಗೆ ತಮಿಳರ ಮನಸ್ಸು ಗೆದ್ದು, ನೋಬೆಲ್ ಶಾಂತಿ ಪ್ರಶಸ್ತಿ ಪಡೆಯುವತ್ತ ಹೆಜ್ಜೆ ಇಟ್ಟಿರುವ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಮುಖ್ಯಮಂತ್ರಿಗಳನ್ನು ಅಭಿನಂದಿಸುತ್ತಲೇ ನನ್ನ ಮನಸ್ಸಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಕೊರೆಯುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ಒಂದಿಷ್ಟು ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಕನ್ನಡದ ಅಣ್ಣ-ತಮ್ಮ-ಅಕ್ಕ-ತಂಗಿಯರ ಮುಂದೆ ಇಡಬೇಕು ಅನ್ನಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆ.
* ಆರೋಗ್ಯ ಕ್ಷೇತ್ರದಲ್ಲಿ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಅನುಕೂಲ ಇರುವ ಜಗತ್ತಿನ ಕೆಲವೇ ಕೆಲವು ಮುಂಚೂಣಿಯ ನಗರಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರು ಕೂಡಾ ಒಂದು. Medical Tourism ಅನ್ನೋದು ಜಗತ್ತಿನೆಲ್ಲೆಡೆಯಿಂದ ಭಾರತಕ್ಕೆ ಅದರಲ್ಲೂ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿಗೆ ದೊಡ್ಡ ಸಂಖ್ಯೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಆರೋಗ್ಯ ತಪಾಸಣೆ, ಚಿಕಿತ್ಸೆಗಾಗಿ ಜನರನ್ನು ಸೆಳೆಯುತ್ತಿದೆ, ಆದ್ರೆ ನಮ್ಮ ಮುಖ್ಯಮಂತ್ರಿಯವರಿಗೆ ಉಂಟಾದ ಅಲ್ಪ ಅನಾರೋಗ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಒಬ್ಬೇ ಒಬ್ಬ ವೈದ್ಯ ಇರಲಿಲ್ಲವಾ? ಆರೋಗ್ಯ ತಪಾಸಣೆಗೆ ಚೆನ್ನೈನ ಅಪೊಲೊಗೆ ಹೋದರೋ ಇಲ್ಲ ತಮಿಳರ ಮತಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ವಿಷ್ಯ ಫಿಕ್ಸ್ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಂಡು ಬಂದರೋ ಅನ್ನೊದನ್ನ ನೀವೇ ನಿರ್ಧಾರ ಮಾಡಬೇಕು.
* ಕರುಣಾನಿಧಿಯವರ ಆರೋಗ್ಯ ವಿಚಾರಿಸಲು ಅವರ ಮನೆಗೆ ಹೋದ ಮುಖ್ಯಮಂತ್ರಿಗಳಿಗೆ ಇದ್ದಕ್ಕಿಂದ್ದಂತೆ ತಿರುವಳ್ಳುವರ್ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪನೆ ವಿಷಯ ನೆನಪಿಗೆ ಬಂತಾ? (ನೆನಪಿರಲಿ, ತಿರುವಳ್ಳುವರ್ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ವಿಷಯ ರಾಜಕುಮಾರ್ ಅಪಹರಣ ಸಂದರ್ಭದ ನಂತರ ಚರ್ಚೆಯಲ್ಲೇ ಇರಲಿಲ್ಲ). ಇಲ್ಲಾ, ಕರುಣಾನಿಧಿಯವರು ಮೂರ್ತಿ ವಿಷಯ ಹೇಳಿಕೊಂಡು ಕಣ್ಣೀರು ಏನಾದ್ರೂ ಹಾಕಿದ್ರಾ? ಅದನ್ನ ನೋಡಿ ನಮ್ಮ ಮುಖ್ಯಮಂತ್ರಿಯವರ ಬೆಣ್ಣೆ ಮನಸ್ಸು ಕರಗಿ ಹೀಗೊಂದು ನಿರ್ಧಾರಕ್ಕೆ ಬಂದ್ರಾ?
* ತಿರುವಳ್ಳುವರ್ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪನೆಯ ಬೇಡಿಕೆ ನೆಡುಮಾರನ್ ನಂತಹ ಪ್ರತ್ಯೇಕತಾವಾದಿಗಳ ಬೇಡಿಕೆ, ಇಂತಹ ಬೆದರಿಕೆ ತಂತ್ರಕ್ಕೆ ಸರ್ಕಾರ ಜಗ್ಗಬಾರದು ಎಂದು ರಾಜಕುಮಾರ್ ಅಪಹರಣದ ಸಂದರ್ಭದಲ್ಲಿ ಪುಟಗಟ್ಟಲೇ ಬರೆದಿದ್ದ ಕನ್ನಡ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳು, ಒಮ್ಮಿಂದೊಮ್ಮೆಲೆ, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಿಗೆ ಸಣ್ಣತನ ಬಿಡಿ, ಮಾನವೀಯತೆ ಮೆರೆಯಿರಿ ಅನ್ನುವ ಸರ್ಕಾರಿ ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಿತ ಗಿಳಿ ಪಾಠ ಶುರು ಮಾಡಿಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದು ನೋಡಿದರೆ ಇದೆಲ್ಲ ಮೊದಲೇ ಫಿಕ್ಸ್ ಆಗಿದ್ದಾ ಅನ್ನೋ ಸಂದೇಹ ಬರಲ್ವಾ?
* ಎತ್ತು ಏರಿಗೆಳೆದರೆ, ಕೋಣ ನೀರಿಗೆಳೆಯಿತು ಅನ್ನುವಂತೆ ಯಾವತ್ತು ಎಡ-ಬಲ ಎಂದು ಕಿತ್ತಾಡುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ಬುದ್ಧಿ ಜೀವಿ (??) ಗಳಾದ ಅನಂತಮೂರ್ತಿ, ಚಿದಾನಂದ ಮೂರ್ತಿಗಳೆಲ್ಲ ಒಕ್ಕೊರಿಲಿನಿಂದ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪನೆಯನ್ನು ಬೆಂಬಲಿಸಿ ಹೇಳಿಕೆ ಕೊಡುತ್ತಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಗಮನಿಸಿದಾಗ ಇವರ ನಿಯತ್ತು ನಾಡು-ನುಡಿಗೋ, ಇಲ್ಲ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ಕೃಪೆಗೋ ಅನ್ನೋ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆ ನಿಮ್ಮ ಮನಸ್ಸಲ್ಲೂ ಬಂದಿಲ್ವಾ?
* ಸದನದಲ್ಲಿ ವೀರಾವೇಷ ಮೆರೆಯುತ್ತಿದ್ದ, ಮಾತಿಗೊಮ್ಮೆ ಬಿ.ಜೆ.ಪಿಗೆ ತಕ್ಕ ಪಾಠ ಕಲಿಸುವುದಾಗಿ ಗುಡುಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ಜೆ.ಡಿ(ಎಸ್), ಕಾಂಗ್ರೆಸ್ ಪಕ್ಷಗಳಿಗೆ ಸರ್ವಜ್ಞನ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಚೆನ್ನೈನ ಮುಖ್ಯ ಬೀದಿಯೊಂದರಲ್ಲಿ ಕೂರಿಸಿ ಎಂದು ಕೇಳುವಷ್ಟು ಕೂಡ ಧ್ವನಿ ಬರಲಿಲ್ಲ ಅಂದರೆ, ತಮಿಳರ ಪುಡಿ ಮತದ ಆಸೆಗೆ, ಮತ ಬ್ಯಾಂಕ್ ನ ರಾಜಕೀಯದ ಮುಂದೆ ಕನ್ನಡ-ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ ಸ್ವಾಭಿಮಾನ ಇವರಿಗೆಲ್ಲ ಎಷ್ಟು ನಗಣ್ಯ ಎನ್ನುವ ಭಾವನೆ ನಿಮಗೂ ಬಂದಿಲ್ವಾ?
* ಎಲ್ಲಕ್ಕೂ ಮೀಗಿಲಾಗಿ, ಮಾತಿಗೊಮ್ಮೆ ಅಲ್ಪ ಸಂಖ್ಯಾತರ ತುಷ್ಟೀಕರಣ ಮಾಡಬಾರದು, ತನ್ನ ದೃಷ್ಟಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ಸಮಾನ ಅನ್ನುತ್ತಿದ್ದ ಬಿ.ಜೆ.ಪಿ ಇವತ್ತು ಮಾಡುತ್ತಿರುವುದು ಏನು? ದಶಕಗಳಿಂದ ಇಲ್ಲಿ ನೆಲೆಸಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೇ ಆಗಿರುವ ತಮಿಳರನ್ನು, ಕನ್ನಡದ ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಹಿನಿಯಿಂದ ಬೇರ್ಪಡಿಸಿ, ಅವರಿಗಾಗಿ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪಿಸಿ ಅವರಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರತ್ಯೇಕತೆಯ ಭಾವನೆ ತುಂಬುತ್ತಾ ಇದ್ದಾರೆ ಅನ್ನಿಸಲ್ವಾ? ತಮ್ಮ ಮತ ರಾಜಕೀಯಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಭಾಷಾ ಅಲ್ಪಸಂಖ್ಯಾತರ ತುಷ್ಟೀಕರಣದ ಮೂಲಕ ತಮಿಳರು ಕನ್ನಡ ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಹಿನಿ ಬೆರೆಯದಂತೆ ಮಾಡೋ ಪ್ರಯತ್ನ ಇದು ಅನ್ನಿಸಲ್ವಾ?
ತಮಿಳರ ಮತಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪಿಸೋ ನಿರ್ಧಾರ ಮಾಡಿ, ಕೊನೆಗೆ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದಲ್ಲಿ ಎದುರಾಗುವ ವಿರೋಧವನ್ನು ನಿಭಾಯಿಸಲು, ಎಲ್ಲ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ತನ್ನ ನಿರ್ಧಾರದ ಪರವಾಗಿ ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಿತ ವರದಿಗಳನ್ನು ಬರೆಸಿ, ಆನಂತರ ಸಾಹಿತಿ, ಬುದ್ಧಿಜೀವಿಗಳು, ಸರ್ವ ಪಕ್ಷದ ಸಭೆ ಕರೆಯುವ ನಾಟಕ ಮಾಡಿ ತನ್ನ ನಿರ್ಧಾರ, ನಾಡಿನ ಎಲ್ಲರ ನಿರ್ಧಾರ ಅನ್ನುವಂತೆ ತೋರಿಸಿಕೊಂಡು, ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪನೆ ವಿರೋಧಿಸಿದ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಂಘಟನೆಗಳು ಸಂಕುಚಿತ ಮನಸ್ಸಿನವರು ಎಂದು ತೋರಿಸಿ, ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪನೆಗೆ ನಿಂತಿರುವ ರಾಜ್ಯ ಸರ್ಕಾರ ತಮಿಳರ ಮತಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಇಷ್ಟೆಲ್ಲ ನಾಟಕ ಮಾಡಿತು ಅಂತ ನಿಮಗೆ ಅನ್ನಿಸಲ್ವಾ? ನಾಳೆ ಮತ ಸಿಗೋದಾದ್ರೆ, ತೆಲುಗರಿಗಾಗಿ ಎನ್.ಟಿ.ಆರ್, ಮಲಯಾಳಿಗಾಗಿ ಮುಮ್ಮುಟ್ಟಿ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಕೂರಿಸೋಕು ಇವರೇನು ಹಿಂಜಯರಿಯಲ್ಲ ಅಂತಾ ಅನ್ನಿಸಲ್ವಾ?
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೧೯೯೧ ರ ಕಾವೇರಿ ಗಲಾಟೆ ನಂತರ ತಮಿಳರು ಸರಿ ಹೋಗಿದ್ರು. ನಿಧಾನಕ್ಕಾದ್ರೂ ಸರಿ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಹಿನಿ ಸೇರೊಕೆ ಶುರು ಮಾಡಿದ್ರು.. ಆದ್ರೆ ಹಾಗಾದ್ರೆ ವೋಟ್ ಬ್ಯಾಂಕ್ ರಾಜಕೀಯ ಮಾಡೋದು ಹೇಗೆ?
ಅಣ್ಣಾವ್ರ ಅಪಹರಣದ ಸಂದರ್ಭದಲ್ಲಿ Tamil National Liberation Army (TNLA) ಮತ್ತು Tamil National Retrieval Force (TNRF) ಎಂಬ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ದ್ರೋಹಿ, ಪ್ರತ್ಯೇಕತಾವಾದಿ ಸಂಘಟನೆಗಳು, ವೀರಪ್ಪನ್ ಮೂಲಕ ಸಲ್ಲಿಸಿದ್ದ ಬೇಡಿಕೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಒಂದಾಗಿದ್ದ ತಿರುವಳ್ಳುವರ್ ಮೂರ್ತಿ ಸ್ಥಾಪನೆಯನ್ನು ಮಾತೆತ್ತಿದ್ರೆ ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ಪ್ರೇಮದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಪಾಠ ಹೇಳೋ ಬಿ.ಜೆ.ಪಿ ಸರ್ಕಾರ ಮುಂದೆ ನಿಂತು ಅನುಷ್ಟಾನ ಮಾಡುವುದಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಸೋಜಿಗದ ವಿಷಯ ಇನ್ನೊಂದಿದೆಯಾ? ಬಿಡಿ, ಇದೇನು ಅವರಿಗೆ ಹೊಸತಲ್ಲ, ಕಂದಹಾರ್ ವಿಮಾನ ಅಪಹರಣದ ಸಂದರ್ಭದಲ್ಲಿ ಹಿರಿಯ ನಾಯಕ ಜಸವಂತ್ ಸಿಂಗ್ ಅವರೇ ಕಂದಹಾರ್ ವರೆಗೂ ಹೋಗಿ ಉಗ್ರವಾದಿಯನ್ನು ಬೀಳ್ಕೊಟ್ಟು ಬಂದಿಲ್ಲವೇ ?
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ಇತ್ತಿಚಿಗೆ ನಡೆಯುತ್ತಿರುವ ವಿದ್ಯಾಮಾನಗಳನ್ನು ನೊಡುತ್ತ ಇದ್ದರೆ,ಅದರಲ್ಲೂ ಬೇರೆ ಭಾಷಿಕರನ್ನು ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಹಿನಿಗೆ ಸೇರಲು ಬಿಡದೆ ಅವರನ್ನು ಹಾಗೆ ಇರುವ ಹಾಗೆ ಮಾಡಿ, ಅವರನ್ನು ವೋಟಬ್ಯಾಂಕಾಗಿ ಪರಿವರ್ತಿಸುವ ಕೆಲ್ಸ ಬಹಳ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥಿತವಾಗಿ ನಡೆಯುತ್ತಿದೆ.ಇದು ಒಂದು ಕಡೆ ಮತ ರಾಜಕಾರಣ ಆದರೆ ಇನ್ನೊಂದು ಕಡೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಂಘಟನೆಗಳನ್ನು ಮಟ್ಟ ಹಾಕುವ ಪ್ರಕ್ರಿಯೆ.
ತಮಿಳು ಸಮಾವೇಶ
ಮಾರ್ಚ್ 29ರಂದು ನಗರದ ನೆಹರು ಕ್ರೀಡಾಂಗಣದಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆದ ಜಿಲ್ಲಾ ಮಟ್ಟದ ತಮಿಳು ಸಮಾವೇಶದಲ್ಲಿ ಕೂಡ ನಡೆದಿದ್ದು ಅದೇ,
ಸುಮಾರು ೨೫ ಲಕ್ಷ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿದ್ದಾರೆ ತಮಿಳು ಸಂಘಕ್ಕೆ ಅಂತ. ಇದರಲ್ಲಿ ಕೇವಲ ಬಿಜೆಪಿಗೆ ಮಾತ್ರ ಆಹ್ವಾನವಿತ್ತು, ಕಾರಣ ಆಡಳಿತ ಸರಕರವನ್ನು ಕರೆದಿದ್ದೆವು ಅಂತ. ಶಂಕರ ಮೂರ್ತಿ, ಜೂ.ಯಡಿಯೂರಪ್ಪ, ಹಾಲಪ್ಪ, ಕುಮಾರಸ್ವಾಮಿ ಆಗಿ ಎಲ್ಲರು ಪಾಲ್ಗೋಂಡು ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮವನ್ನು ಯಶಸ್ವಿಗೊಳಿಸಿದ್ದರು. ಈ ತಮಿಳು ಸಂಘ ೭೦ ಲಕ್ಷ ವೆಚ್ಚದಲ್ಲಿ ತಮಿಳು ಭವನ ಕಟ್ಟಿಸುತ್ತ ಇದೆ, ಇದಕ್ಕೂ ಕೂಡ ನಮ್ಮ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸರಕಾರವೆ ಹಣ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿರುತ್ತದೆ. ಇದನ್ನು ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮದ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥಾಪಕರೇ ಹೇಳುವ ಹಾಗೆ ಸಮಾಜದ ಸಂಘಟನೆ ಅಂತ. ಸುಮಾರು ಒಂದು ಲಕ್ಷಕ್ಕೂ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಮತಗಳನ್ನು ಹೊಂದಿರುವ ತಮಿಳು ಜನರನ್ನು ತಮ್ಮಡೆ ಸೆಳೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಚಿಕ್ಕ ಕಾಣಿಕೆ ಕೊಟ್ಟಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಅಂತ ಬಂಗಾರಪ್ಪ ಆದಿ ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ಹೇಳಿದ್ದು.
ಮರಾಠಿ ಮೇಳ
ಅದೇ ಸಮಯದಲ್ಲಿ ಬೆಳಗಾವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಭಾರತೀಯ ಜನತಾ ಪಕ್ಷದ ಬೆಳಗಾವಿ ಸಂಸದ ಸುರೇಶ ಅಂಗಡಿ ಅವರು ಕನ್ನಡಗರಿಗೆ ಭಾರಿ ಅಘಾತ ನೀಡಿದ್ದರು.ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರು ವಿರೊಧಿಸುತ್ತ ಇದ್ದ ವಿಷಯವನ್ನು ಸಂಸದ ಅಂಗಡಿ ಹಾಗೂ ಶಾಸಕ ಸಂಜಯ ಪಾಟೀಲ್ ಕೈಗೆತ್ತಿ ಕೊಂಡು, ಭಗವಾಧ್ವಜ ವಿವಾದಕ್ಕೆ ಸಂಬಂಧಿಸಿದಂತೆ ಸೋಮವಾರ ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ಏಕೀಕರಣ ಸಮಿತಿಗೆ ಬಹಿರಂಗವಾಗಿಯೇ ಬೆಂಬಲ ನೀಡಿದ್ದರು. ಇದು ಕೂಡ ಅಲ್ಲಿ ನೆಲಸಿರುವ ಮರಾಠಿ ಜನರನ್ನು ಸೆಳೆಯಲು ಅಂತ ಹೇಳಬೇಕಾಗಿಲ್ಲ. ಮರಾಠಿ ಮತಗಳು ಬೇಕು ಎಂದರೆ, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೇ ನಮ್ಮ ಕಾಲಿಗೆ ಬೀಳುತ್ತಾರೆ, ನಮ್ಮನ್ನು ಬೆಂಬಲಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ ಅಂತ ಮನವರಿಕೆ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಂಡ
ಆಟಕ್ಕುಂಟು ಲೆಕ್ಕಕಿಲ್ಲ ಅನ್ನೊ ಹಾಗೆ ಆಗಿದ್ದ ಎಂ.ಇ.ಎಸ್ ಇದರಿಂದ ಚೇತರಿಕೆ ಕಂಡಿತು.
ಪಾಡುತ ತೀಯಗ
ಮತ್ತೆ ಎಪ್ರಿಲ್ ಮೊದಲ ವಾರದಲ್ಲಿ ಇದೇ ಬಿಜೆಪಿ ಪಕ್ಷ ತೆಲುಗು ಭಾಷಿಕರ ಸಮಾವೇಶವನ್ನು ಮಾಡಿ ತೆಲುಗು ಮತಗಳನ್ನು ತನ್ನಡೆ ಸೆಳೆಯಲು ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಿಸಿತು. ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನ ಚೌಡಯ್ಯ ಸ್ಮಾರಕ ಭವನದಲ್ಲಿ ಸ್ನೇಹ ಮಿಲನ ಅಂತ ಮಾಡಿತ್ತು. ಕಟ್ಟಾ, ವೆಂಕಯ್ಯ ನಾಯ್ಡು ಎಲ್ಲರೂ ಪಾಲ್ಗೊಂಡಿದ್ದರು ಇದರಲ್ಲಿ. ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮ ಸಂಪೂರ್ಣ ತೆಲುಗುನಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆಯಿತು.
ūṭaluvakai
ತಮಿಳುನಾಡು ಶಾಸ್ತ್ರೀಯ ಭಾಷೆ ವಿಚಾರದಲ್ಲಿಯಾಗಲಿ, ಕಾವೇರಿ ವಿಚಾರದಲ್ಲಿಯಾಗಲಿ, ಹೊಗೇನಕಲ್ ವಿಚಾರದಲ್ಲಿಯಾಗಲಿ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕಕ್ಕೆ ಪದೇ ಪದೇ ಅನ್ಯಾಯ ಎಸಗಿದರೂ ಸಹ ನಮ್ಮ ಬಿಜೆಪಿ ರಾಜ್ಯ ಸರಕಾರ ಇವನ್ನೆಲ್ಲ ಗಣನೆಗೆ ತೆಗೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳದೆ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ತಿರುವಳ್ಳುವರ್ ಪ್ರತಿಮೆ ಸ್ಥಾಪಿಸಲು ಮುಂದಾಗಿದೆ. ಮತ್ತದೇ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ತಮಿಳರನ್ನು ಒಲೈಸಲು ಮಾಡಿರುವ ಕೆಲ್ಸ ಇದು.
ಕಳೆದ ೬ ತಿಂಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಇವೆಲ್ಲಾ ವಿದ್ಯಾಮಾನಗಳನ್ನು ನೊಡುತ್ತ ಇದ್ದರೆ ನನಗೆ ಅನಿಸುವುದು ಒಂದೇ
೧) ಪರ ಭಾಷಿಕರನ್ನು ಒಲೈಸುವಿಕೆ
೨) ಇವೆಲ್ಲಾ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮಗಳ ಮುಂದೆ ಒಂದು ಚುನಾವಣೆ ಇರುತ್ತದೆ.
೩) ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ಪ್ರತಿರೋಧವನ್ನು ಲೆಕ್ಕಿಸದೇ, ಕನ್ನಡ ವಿರೋಧಿ ಕೆಲ್ಸ ಮಾಡುವುದು.
೪) ತಮ್ಮ ಈ ಕ್ರಮಗಳನ್ನು ಸಮರ್ಥಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲು ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಿತ ಲೇಖನಗಳನ್ನು ಬರೆಸುವುದು.
ಕನ್ನಡದ ಚಿಂತಕರು, ಸಾಹಿತಿಗಳು, ರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕವಿಗಳು, ಯಿಗದ ಕವಿಗಳು ಇದನ್ನು ಸಮರ್ಥಿಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಿಗೆ ಅನ್ಯಾಯ ಮಾಡುವುದು.
೫) ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಂಘಟನೆಗಳ ವಿರುದ್ಧ ಪರಭಾಷಿಕರನ್ನು ಸಂಘಟಿಸಿ ಅವರ ಬೆಂಬಲಕ್ಕೆ ನಿಂತಿರುವುದು.
ದೇಶ ಮೊದಲು, ಭಾಷೆ ಅಂತ ಹೇಳುವುದು ರಾಷ್ಟೀಯತೆ ವಿರುದ್ಧ ಅಂತ ನಂಬಿರುವ ಪಕ್ಷದಿಂದ
ಮುಂದಿನ ದಿನಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಇನ್ನೇನು ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ ನೋಡಬೇಕೋ ನಾ ಕಾಣೆ.ಅದಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಭಯ ಆಗುವುದು ನಮ್ಮ ಕನ್ನಡ ಚಿಂತಕರ, ಪತ್ರಕರ್ತರ,ಅವತಾರ ಪುರುಷಗಳ ಸಮರ್ಥನೆ.
10 August 2009 at 6:40 pm
Watching–
This is not the first time that I have said rhetorical something or other about secession, but I know as well as the next person that it is not practical nor desirable. I only said it was probable. Theoretically, it is. When we have the example of all of Europe beginning to act like one big country, it is foolish to think that Karnataka can be a stand alone state. All I mean is Karnataka should be first in Karnataka. Furthermore, I have little patience with our sycophantic everybody–politician, writer, teacher– extolling our great fortune in being a state in this wonderful country. Even the so-called naadageethe happens to be mostly about Bharathamaathe. Her Kannada daughter has been in ICU for a long time. Just look at the examples in recent history. We cannot even rename “Belagaum” “Belagaavi” because New Delhi won’t permit it. TN doesn’t get even a mild scold concerning its aggressive forays into our section of HogEnkal. We know how Lalu ravaged our state from distant Bihar for a long nightmarish period by exporting his people to Kannadaland. Our chief minister said nothing when Lalu kalled us a “kachara” people. The present minister of state for the Railways is from Karnataka, but I don’t see him doing anything to persuade his overlords to give us what has long been overdue in railway transportation. Why must we beg for everything?
However, separatist sentiment is the weapon our Tamil Makkal flourish in so many ways, big and small, to get what they want. No Hindi in the NCC, as many ministers as they demand in New Delhi, contact with and support for the LTTE, Tamil supremacy within the state in all matters, water from Karnataka when we have none for ourselves. They never say they have been mistreated by the Union government. See how they co-opt actors of Karnataka origins for their political agenda. Appeasement for them, oppression for us.
The situation can be explained, but we cannot go on falling at the feet of the South Block forever to get our people their basic necessities. For historical reasons, ours happens to be the least homogeneous state in the country, with just a little over two thirds of it being Kannada speakers. Politically and legally, we have to cater to the needs of many linguistic and religious minorities in a way no other state has to. I cannot think of any other state where one can live forever without learning to speak the native language. No state but Karnataka has had a series of pusillanimous chief ministers whose personal needs trumped their obligations to the state. Incidentally see how the Tamils resign their central ministries at the slightest perceived slights. To think that our newspapers went into an unseemly tizzy just because for the first time in history most of our MP’s condescended to be sworn in Kannada.
Separatism, if not secessionism, is not a novel phenomenon in post-independent India. Look at all the states that have sprung into being for self-protection: Haryaana, the Aanchals, Chatthisgadh. Maharashtra, linguistically at least as chauvinistic as TN, has to deal with the Vidharbha region wanting to go its own way. In Karnataka, the lack of wisdom on the part of Kannadigas in the south, has led Utthara Karnataka to demand self-rule. We howl when the water level drops in the Kaveri system fed reservoirs in the south, but say nothing about the Bheema drying up or Goa backtracking on providing drinking water from the Mahadai in the north.
We need a new generation of non-kleptocrat leaders who can transcend their party affiliation in Karnataka. Until then, the chest-beating will not stop.
10 August 2009 at 7:27 pm
PTL, I don’t think you did not understand what I was saying and have been saying.
Karnataka is already a seperate state within the Union just like the rest.
Karnataka has held the shit end of the stick for since we can remember. Not just since Yeddi took over.
Tamil Nadu get’s its way because it did not make the mistake of biting the hand that protected it.
We did and still do.
Very shortly, if there is Will, there will be survival.
Now, when we have not learnt how to play within safe borders, will we survive a day outside of them?(Btw mere seperatists do not talk about KA without India.)
Tamilians put up Prabhakaran and we spent our life time catching Veerappan – Another Tamilian.
Like I said, breast beating must not stop the heart. We will only die.
There must be a way to do this better keeping in mind our temprement.
No point in imagining stuff.
10 August 2009 at 7:33 pm
since mr.rangegowda mentions about krv’s protest regarding thiruvalluvar statue without talking about their reasons for the protest, i am linking u to this piece of information
http://www.karnatakarakshanavedike.org/modes/view/114/tiruvalluvar-pratime-sthapane-karave-niluvu.html
and from the way mr.rangegowda is being wild with krv and its “fanatic” followers, it seems he belongs to the “reality avoidance” camp. he just does not want to accept that there are issues between karnataka and TN that needs to be sorted out. and just having some drama of installing 2 statues will not solve those.
also, all the propaganda is being done by the “reality avoidance” camp through its proxies in the media and literary circle. all those who have been watching the kannada print and tv media for the past 2 weeks would understand this.
10 August 2009 at 8:30 pm
The pride and swalloen ego which led to cheers and outburst was the common view in the yesterday function. Most of the crowd wanted to take a glimpse of their favourite leader, clueless about who is Thiru and Sarvagna.
Many in the crowd thought, DMK is making its way to bangalore sooner or later they will take control of this land. Many truthful followers left no stone unturned in remembering the sacrifice of LTTE Prabhakaran and Veerappan.
Overall, its a big boost for the tamil fraction, which once ruled that land with rowdism and fanatic acts. Kannadigas, including our honourable CM made fun of our pride. All the media , known faced uttered the same word, ITS A HISTORIC DAY ….blah..blah
20 years back, we unveiled Thiru statue in Karnataka with unconditional support, amidst of all that we have seen the worse ties between the 2 states. What can we expect by unveiling the new one ?
10 August 2009 at 8:52 pm
Ravi, T. matthu urufugaLe:
Hecchu kadime neevu hEliddanne nanna hindina postgaLallli barediddEne, aadare adu shailiyalli, monachinalli, maahithiyalli, samyojaneyalli nimma kaagadakke eLLashtu hathiravilla. Vandane matthu abhinandanegalu.
I think as long as Kannadigas have no more than naamkavaste saaksharathe and how, coupled with their lack of overall knowledge of naadu and nudi, it is destroying them, there is little hope for us. Is there any other state in the union which is much at the mercy of others as ours? What do we do about our anthardrOhi politicians and thinkers? I am still simmering over the picture of Yediyurappa thanking the haLethalegaLu for being present at the unveiling.
Watching–
Sorry that you think I missed your message. I reread my post and I seem to be agreeing with most of your observations. Tell me what you have in mind about what should be done.
10 August 2009 at 10:01 pm
I would like to draw attention of everyone watching this page to a simple example.
You know, there’s this statue of Sw. Vivekananda near RK Ashrama circle in Bengaluru. It was recently unveiled and did anyone hear a single protesting voice against that statue – either of KRV or any of its “fanatic” followers? Why? Did anyone accusing KRV on this page for all the “trouble” in this episode stop for a moment to think about this?
Kannadigas had no problem with a Bengali Saint (Vivekananda) nor with the Bengal state. West Bengal had not objected (out of jealousy?) to Karnataka’s receiving classical language status award on its language. West Bengal has not been the jealous or villainous Indian state conspiring to suck all the water out of Kaveri flowing inside Karnataka. In any case WB has been the least of unfriendly states when it comes to a relation with Karnataka.
KRV doesnt do anything without reason – and this needs to be strongly embedded into the minds of all Kannadigas on this land. KRV is the strong beacon of hope when the parties that are claiming to rule us (even when in majority) only with a “permission” from their Hindi masters; or serving Kannadigas with remnants after treating all the minorities with its “preparations.” Kannadigas deserve better in their own state.
10 August 2009 at 10:52 pm
Mr. Watching.
Alright. Whats the solution you have on the table? Please enumerate that before you pour out more stuff here..
Because here, like everywhere else on the web, we have enough people talking about the problem, but few tend to talk about solutions, although always met with blind opposing voices. But you go ahead, we’ll be open. Whats the solution in your mind. Which hand do you think protected us, which has been bitten by us!
11 August 2009 at 12:39 am
How do our rightist, leftist, centrist, socialist, communist and other -ist political leaders, litterateurs, and thinkers explain their single voiced support for installing Mr. Thiruvallavar’s statue in “Alasooru?” Our old, gray, and wrinkled pachyderms like the Prajavani and the Kannadaprabha dropped many madhura subhaashithas in the ears of us unIndian, uncivilised Kannadigas, telling us to be nice, to solder the relationship between two ancient neighbors. Didn’t Dr. A. Murthy once walk part of the way with S.M.Krishna in a protest march against Tamils with veeraKannadigas screaming, “Raktha kottEvu, nIru biDevu?” Yediurappa used perfect fascist lingo, threatening those who wanted to protest his government’s actions.
Ravi’s observations and questions are all worth pondering and responding to. If his allegations that the Karnataka Government has funded the creation of Tamil and Telugu SammeLans and given a large amount for the construction of a Tamil Veetu, a worse insult to our narapethala Kannada Saahithya Parishad cannot be imagined. When will the turn of Malayaalam come? Bhaavaikyathe is impossible without making that language a second language in Dakshina Kannada and Kodagu districts. It doesn’t matter that Kannada primary schools are disappearing all along the border of Maharashtra and Andhra.
I wonder how our poor Gandhilike Sarvajna fares compared with the rakshasa statues of the Tamil mannans on Marine Drive.
I have in the past said my piece about and against the KRV. In this case, I urge all of my Kannada kin to follow the link provided by Vijay.
P. S.: The letterhead stationery of the KRV should not have pictures of any leaders. Just the Karnataka map should do.
11 August 2009 at 12:41 am
Uttharakarnatakada mandi ee sambandhadaaga hyanga thannage kunthaara nodrepa. Avru namma mukhyavahinige barabekillena?
11 August 2009 at 8:24 am
READ:
http://epaper.dnaindia.com/dnabangalore/newsview.aspx?eddate=8/11/2009&pageno=12&edition=9&prntid=7554&bxid=27957890&pgno=12
11 August 2009 at 2:54 pm
Nijavada – The entire burden of what Iv wanted to convey is encapsulated in PTL’s 24th comment – Last two paras.
11 August 2009 at 5:55 pm
Thanks for the link, Rajachandra.
I am not surprised that revisionism has suddenly taken our writers and intellectual leaders hostage.
In the golden age of reason that Mr. Belawadi reconstructs, to make his chathrapathis in New Delhi, when he became President of the Congress Party, Shri Nijalingappa proposed building a Hindi University in Bangalore, and this at a time when there were no Kannada Adhyayana Samsthes at our universities, but only Departments of Kannada.
That we don’t or shouldn’t think of Gandhi as a Gujarathi or Vivekananda as a Bengali is a wonderful strawman argument. Karnataka does not have a history of regional discord with West Bengal or Gujarath. The men are not seen in regional terms and we know a tad more about their works than that of ThiruvaLLuvar.
The question is not even about installing a statue. It is all about Kannadigas saying self-respect is important for us. The spot where our poor Sarvajna is going to be braving the elements and bird traffic in Ayyanaavaram is a case in point. I would recommend T. Ravi’s posts to Shri Belawadi.
11 August 2009 at 7:34 pm
They say, before you’re a Kannadiga, you’re an Indian. Hence, one should respect Indianness.
Go a step ahead, we’re Asians, We belong to the world. (Our very own Kuvempu has said that. Vishwamanava concept) Place any pakistani scholar’s statue in Bangalore?? Would you mind it?
In technhical terms, There are certain limits for the super classes when base classes strive to override beign an instance of super class. Some are virtually overridden. This is one such thing.
11 August 2009 at 9:05 pm
the surprising thing is mr.prakash belawadi does not talk about the circumstances in which this statue of thiruvalluvar was installed in 1991. it was done by the likes of nedumaran. further the people who pushed for this statue in bengaluru were tamil fundamentalists like vaiko, kolathur mani and even veerappan. tamilians think of thiruvalluvar as a tamilian, it doesnt matter if mr.prakash or me think of thiruvalluvar as a saint beyond language and region.
11 August 2009 at 11:40 pm
Yes, Sandesh. Hasn’t one of our mahakavis said we should be viswamaanawaas?
Addendum: In my previous post, I meant to say Nijalingappa wanted to make his lieges in Delhi happy by offering to establish a Hindi University in Karnataka.
12 August 2009 at 4:22 am
vijay well put.
but it is not just people like vaiko. look at young educated people with reach like cheran.
of course last year’s rally takes the cake as far as demogoguery goes. in that rally only vairamuthu and kamal hassan spoke with some sense of measure and caution. i have not heard vaiko and nedumaran. but they could not have been any worse than these guys from kodambakam.
their big guys talk like that. our big guys are giving niti bodha. may be it all for the good. but then they should go the whole hog. belawadi saar should also give niti bodha to their big guys who irresponsibly continue to peddle hate. naav paapdoru keLthivi antha namm kivi tumbidre saaldu. thts like singing to the choir. if it is really a bodha worth any salt take it to the other guys too.
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churumuri tinnore…
please heed to this wise counsel by jeevarathna
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But unfortunately legal verdicts over the years have defied principle of Natural justice and the resultant frustration has given way to the exploitation of the pent up emotions.
River disputes all over the world and the rights of up riparian and lower riparian states are seldom been solved.
See once you surrender your rights it becomes legal precedent . So you have to be vigilant and not allow empathy or hatred to govern your actions.
http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/04/02/churumuri-poll-who-is-right-on-hogenakal/#comment-74425
12 August 2009 at 4:36 am
Sandesh Karanth- Where is the use in getting carried away?
Being a proud Kannadiga and a proud Hindu in Hindusthan are not incompatible. Let’s remember that every country has it’s own intra competing Nadus. We are not unique.
Let’s be smart about winning the game without resort to useless and insulting rhetoric of comparing Thiruvalluvara with any Ul Haqs!
This is still our country. I don’t know if Asia/Pakistan has treated or will treat KA any better but this country protects our independence.
Hysteria is fine as long as it does not become acceptable behavior.
12 August 2009 at 1:02 pm
Mr. Watching,
You’re faltering again, in my opinion. I mean you seem to have all the right opinions about the state, its uniqueness, and all that. But somehow I dont know why, you’re automatically assuming all this discussion is about secession of Karnataka, or TN or any other state from the Indian union! No, this discussion aint about secessions or (more) unions. I regret if some others on this page have made you feel so, but I for one, didnt feel so. Hence these words.
But.. but., if ever Karnataka were to secede from the Indian union, I’d say it should do so, only after it has “got back” all the dues from the union. Come on, we pay hefty taxes to the union every year, and as if that were not enough, we “file returns” pleading that we havent cheated them at that! And whenever it has come to receiving our righteous portions, either as tax sharing or as kind (infra etc.), we’ve been subject only to second-hand treatments. States in a federal union shouldnt have to beg everyday to make a living. Atleast a living, we can make on our own self! Anyway, it would be a lossy deal if we even agreed to secede without getting our dues! So we wont secede from this union!
As you put it (in another way though), there’s a lot that we need from the union, indeed!!
12 August 2009 at 2:03 pm
Nijavada – I’m not in the habit of cooking over cool breeze. If there is fire, there will be something hot to reckon with.
Secession is not always a gentlemanly agreement that may perhaps be indulged in these days by the nearly dead nations of the West. In the East, where nations are more than alive, secession is not taken lightly.
We have seen with what brutality Asian states react to any fancy calls for seperation. There is no question of across the table discussions over taxes against earnings! It’s all about Will.
If your in the US, you might realize that that country lost the Will to fight another civil war against another attempt to secede.
And so have all it’s states to even contemplate secession. They are more than willing to allow their lands to be overrun by immigrants from all over. Same is the case with their European cousins.
It’s not like that here. We are a part of Hindusthan.
What’s more, we (KA)are not united due to various factors mentioned by intelligent ppl like PTL.
We face aggressive neighbors within the Union. But at least Hindusthan affords us a safe playing field.
We have simply not been smart and unless we get our act together in how we face challenges to our identity within the Union, our talk and contemplation of seperation will be become a sick joke if not a disastrous reality.
Home truths.
12 August 2009 at 4:12 pm
Watching–
You have held forth eloquently for quite sometime now on how Karnataka should seek prosperity within India. I hope I understand you right.
It is not just the Tamils who have wronged us. It is those who wield power in New Delhi.
You are an opponent of chest beating, which a lot of us do here at this forum. What exactly do you suggest that we do? I don’t see the hysteria you allude to.
Not everyone has to be a proud Kannadiga and Hindu in Hindustan. One who is a citizen of India can be anything he or she wants in it.
India protects its sovereignty. That is to be expected, one of those things that comes with being a country. That has nothing to do with Kannadigas having to daily live with depredations and insults of all kinds.
I think you dismissed my suggestion that education plays a role in anything we want to do. I still believe an education that places emphasis on selfhood, social responsibility, and inculcation of inviolable standards will do us a lot of good.
India is not the great country that some foreign travellers and local purveyors of culture say it is. But it can be. However, at this time my concern is with what happens to Karnataka in general and Kannadigas in particular.
Kannadanadu and Kannadajana before everything. Despite our rage against Tamils, there is a lot we can and should learn from them about protecting our own well-being.
12 August 2009 at 6:46 pm
PTL- I’ll just summarize what I have said before.
1.Us Kannadigas have not yet learnt the art of drawing and drinking water from the well. We either want to go without water or jump into the well.
2. Talking of secession is akin to going without water and our general attitude to rough self-assertion is akin to jumping into the well!
3. So we have been wronged by every passing non-Kannadiga. Ok. What have all our Kannadigas done about it? How have our elite dealt with such insults?
Simple, they have joined the other camp.
What will be the result of entering the fighting ring with a weak body and weaker mind?
4. Yes, not everyone needs to be a proud Kannadiga and Hindu in Hindusthan. That’s why these are formally labelled citizens. The rest who are self aware and proud are “Nationals”. In KA, I think we are overburdened with “citizens of KA”. Not enough Nationals.
5. I opposed your idea of “good education” to control population. But then your idea of education seems distant and so secular in language that it leaves me cold. I cannot connect.Vivekananda had a better, simpler description – Man making education. Right now, our education in and out of school does not produce men.
6. Who can decide which country is great or not great?
A country that survives with its people living and nurturing their historical roots is great to me.
For another, not getting a bus ride while in school will place the same country in a trash bin. Difference between National and Citizen.
7. Your last para says it all. How many Tamils you think, consider themselves mere citizens Vs Nationals?
12 August 2009 at 7:27 pm
you guys talk about autonomy you are talking about hard-power. that is not going to happen right now. but increasingly our country will be more and more federal. people like thiruka and hindu’s n.ram already are pushing for it.
our problem is we are not anticipating these things and positioning ourselves for it.
one of the things lacking is soft-power. which simply put we are unable to assert our primacy within our borders, like malayalees do, and not able to project it outside -like the tamils and telugus.
when i say asserting primacy, i mean naturally, comfortably through things like movies, discourse and being influential enough to shape opinion within the larger context of india etc. because all these are lacking, the only option we have left is to go the route of extreme.
for example last year during cauvery galaTe, all sorts of people in mysore and organized under all sorts of groups and protested at kr circle. it was like the proverbial tree falling in the forest. nobody said kya-re. it takes a krv type bus burning, stone throwing to get attention. but the drawback about that is intellectuals and media then start talking about about the loss of bus rather than the main issue.
noisy wheel gets all the grease.
but you should figure out how to make the noise.
12 August 2009 at 8:47 pm
Let’s stop saying Kannadigaru sadabhimaanigaLu, durabhi maanigaLaLLa. We are just not very bright. Now let’s try to be smart enough to follow the best practices of all our neighbors and be as safe within our borders as they are.
1. When it comes to Karnataka’s well-being our MPs should not think about about their petty parties. We all know the supposed ideologies of those parties are not worth mooru kaasu.
2. Let them first prove to the two houses of Parliament that they are they are. This should begin with their speaking in Kannada on the floor. Would be interesting to know what M.A.M. Ramaswamy and Rajeev Chandrashekhar will say. As for the rest, we know many of them are politically illiterate. They are incapable of speaking Kannada, English, or Hindi.
3. Hold the damned MPs accountable. Kumaraswamy did not attend the first day of parliament sessions. His father says he won’t speak in the house or attend its sessions because he does not get the respect he deserves as a former prime minister. Did anybody ever say anything at all Ambareesh’s nonfeasance for five years?
4. In Karnataka there is no hope for us unless we throw out the rascals in all the three big parties. (I bet there is no other state in the union which has no independent members in the Vidhanasabhe.) I know the question is who will bell the cat. We should hope for a Tarun Gogoi to rise up in our midst.
5. I am not much of an expert on the Constitution. Is there something in it that forbids discrimination against weakling states like Karnataka?
6. Everywhere the central ministers from Karnataka go, they should be pelted with the question, “What have you done for us lately?” Muniappa said a few days ago that Mamatha Bannerji had been fair to Karnataka in her budget.
Enough foolish talk from me for now.