I wonder if you can associate random people, some of them sitting in the Western countries, shooting their mouth off and associate terror acts by Bajrang Dal to ‘Hindu action’.

And its funny that the same people jump up to condemn acts by others - Muslim, Christian, dalits, backward castes or anyone they see as their enemies.

When you talk to them - you should remember these people are no different from muslim people who justify terrorist actions of people who plant bombs or christians who support race violence in the name of religion. They are definitely not representative of the people who follow a religion, though they may act like its spokespersons.

Mostly they are just people with access to a computer and the internet and copious amount of free time :)

And dont expect any answers about why the dalits got and continue to get a raw deal from some people who still think like this. For them the caste system is part and parcel of hinduism and they will never stand up against it.

The fact that there are no popes who are blacks cannot be compared to Dalits unable to become shankracharyas. It is quite possible per the cannonical rules that a pope can be of any race or color or country or caste. But your Dharma Shastras has no such provision at all and it is explicitly mentioned that we Dalits are panchamas and outcastes. Firget contsting for these positions we don’t even have the right of even coming close to any of you pure Bhudevatas lest our shadows corrupt your purity. A dalit like myself will not be allowed to even interdine with the Brahmins in Karnataka in such places like Udupi, Mantralaya, Sringeri etc.

” IF YOU BEHAVE LIKE DR KING JUNIOR, THERE WILL BE TOLERANCE FROM HINDUS. BUT IF YOU BEHAVE INTOLERANT OF HINDUISM BEHAVE LIKE “NEW LIFE”- THE REACTION WILL BE INTOLERANCE.”

I am not sure if you and your ilk can provide a dictat on how I should behave. I can behave like anyone from Martin luther to Maloclm X to Bertrand Russel to Ambedkar and I will be fine according to the constituion of India as long as I comply by the rules. It is only Barabarians like yourself and people in the Sangh Parivar who talks of jungle rules.

I have not reduced Hinduism to caste and human rights abuse. You are poorly read in Indian History and all you know is some junk taught in RSS shakas. Hinduism has reduced us into caste right from Rig Veda to Manusmrithi, other dharmashastras and the behaviour and ghettoisation of untouchables like myself. No not me and my ilk but your barbarian religion who outcasted us. And now you want us to remain in your fold to increase your numbers. We were never part of your religion.

I hope you are not Rip Van Winkle who has woken up from deep slumber of several decades. India became a nation governed by a constituion half a century ago. The kings and queens in India exist as ornamental people apart from their existence in playing cards. Be happy that the people of Karnataka have at least this much of regard to your family. Don’t crib.

Obviously you cannot compare today’s dasara to what is mentioned in Puranas, Ramayana and Mahabharatha. You are neither Rama, Krishna or any of those puranic kings. Better sense will dawn upon you if you carry out an Ashwamedha yagna and see how many will respect your horse and territorial rights.

“Mysore has a rich history and it is believed that 15 demons were vanquished by Goddess Chamundeshwari. These are mentioned in Kayaka Purana, Markandeya Purana and Padma Purana.”

And when did Puranas become ‘rich history’. No credible historian belives in the texts you have mentioned. Get real. Your forefathers especially Krishnaraja WOdeya IV did some great work in Karnataka for which you are respected. Be happy and please do not overshoot your limits.

There are 10s of 1000s of “Dalit Xtians” who are also reconverting into Hinduism, because they have understood they remained Dalit even after conversion.

90% of Indian Xtians are from lower starta of Indian society. How many of them are Bishops, religious authories appointed by the Pope? How many Popes have been black, non Europeans?

Not so long ago, Dr. King Junior visited India to learn from Gandhian experience for black rights.

ITS ENTIRELY UPTON YOU TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT- BUT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO REDUCE HINDUISM TO CASTE AND HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE.

IF YOU BEHAVE LIKE DR KING JUNIOR, THERE WILL BE TOLERANCE FROM HINDUS. BUT IF YOU BEHAVE INTOLERANT OF HINDUISM BEHAVE LIKE “NEW LIFE”- THE REACTION WILL BE INTOLERANCE.

Because, hate begets hate. Love begets love.

No one opposes Azim Premji’s name for the PM’s post. I am pretty sure of it. Do you know how many Muslim Presidents we have had, since independence? Never did any Hindu think of them being made a president because they were Muslims. They got there because of their merit or based on the strength of the political party backing them when there was election for the post.

Do you really think that the status of Muslims will change overnight if there is a Muslim PM? What one really needs is education, overcoming of their religious DOGMAS, accepting universal laws, and true brotherhood with ALL. Whatever Hindus consider sacred is a matter for abuse by those who are politically active amongst Muslims or the so called secular parties. In such an environment how do you expect that ALL Hindus will trust your politicians? Here is a small story for your reading:-

Recently, Salahuddin Owaisi died in Hyderabad. Mr. Gaddher, the revolutionary poet (Naxal sympathiser) made a stunning tribute to him - ‘Owasi had lot of influence on the city, the moment he called for peace, the city will return to normalcy.’. Do you know, he actually revealed that Owaisi controlled the violence. It happened at his will and wish, and it ended at his signal! This tribute was reported in a Rediff article recently.

Finally, I have a serious question to you and ALL those who think like you.

Have you ever wondered how many Hindu Prime Ministers or Presidents has Pakistan had since its independence? Why don’t you carry a similar campaign for change in Pakistan?

Its all political game here. Yes… there were attacks on curches which is I dont agree, but it was a result of what it was published in “Satyadarshini”. Has anyone got a chance to look at the pages of it..? I have …. & YES…. its feels like someone asking question ““Is your wife still enages in prostitution?” .

No one questions the charity the missionaries are doing but so are others like ramakrishna mission, chinmaya mission, some wings of sangh parivar etc. Its just that missionaries get more attention ‘Coz media loves to use word “MINORITY”…. & So are POLITICIANS..!!

Central govt keeps on giving warning to BJP led k’taka govt on the church attacks & its blindfold on whats happening on kashmir or even in orissa. They cannot talk against kashmir ‘coz it will hurt minorities & Cong will loose its vote bank.

Mr. Sivaraj patil it more concerned about giving warning to k’taka that he is forgetting the blasts all over the coutry is killing all countrymen…. hindu’s, muslim & X’tian.

Even today some temples like Mantralaya, Udupi, they serve food separately for Brahmins and non-brahmins.

Best is enlightenment thru equal edauction will only solve such evil and ugly practices.

Some facts however have to be placed on record. Infosys is described as many of the bloggers here as being an example of Indian initiative. Is it really so? If indeed Infosys was the product of the market, how come it got government waiver of the registration fee for the land it bought on Hosur Sarjapur Road - 6.5 crores if I am not mistaken? The then IT Secretary Vivek Kulkarni, cousin of Sudha Murthy (nee Kulakarni) placed the note before the Karnataka Cabinet which approved it. Why brag about your quarterly results if you are beggarly enough to seek tax waivers on the sly and on the fly? So this Infosys is our model of upright, clean, dynamic growth? Which farmer who committed suicide got any land registration fee waived? Please stop getting priapic and lubricious about INfosys. It is just another rapacious market player. It is not even worth discussing.

Nobody is denying the discrimination still prevailing in bits and pieces of hindu society. We(as a country) have accepted that ppl have been discriminated and made discrimination an offence (constitutionally) and also provided reservation for the marginalised. So there is NO HYPOCRYSY.

I myself condemn the practice of having separate dining halls for Brahmins in temples and all such practices. But anybody gets the same treatement when it comes to darshana. So don’t say that dalits are not allowed inside the temple. Infact, in TN there are quite a few priests belonging to the SC /ST groups. Also, today it’s only our constitution that gives us any rights, neither hinduism nor christianity. I respect ur decission of choosing ur religion, but that does not approve all the methods the church follows.

http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/04/stories/2008100455851500.htm

This story throws some light on the problem form another angle……

Conversion is a touchy issue worldover.

The above is accepted by all - learned hindu, not-so-learned hindu, Christians, Muslims, right-wing-hindu, left-wing-hindu and ALL. THE only concern seem to be “Violent” and “non-violent” reaction part.

About 50-60 ( I don’t know exact year) years back, great sage was invited by German Psychologists to give lecture on “Family System, Social health, violence etc.” And the sage agreed to talk only if they allow him to talk what he thinks. Upon agreement, Sage visited Germany and in the conference first he asked the gathered psychologists “How many of you are divorced” and the response was that almost 50% raised their hand. Then, sage went on “How can you people, trained psychologists can divorce? And, if you are divorced, how can you help ordinary people to unite in their family? How can you help socity to live peacfully/happliy?

Basically, all that I am trying to say here is that only very learned great minds can react in appropriate way. The rest react in immature way. While the maturity has SINGLEness, the other part has many-many manifestation.

Now let us consider this hypothetical scenarios — If some one ask us (including Dr. Nayeem) “Is your wife still enages in prostitution?” WHAT WILL BE OUR REACTION? I am sure, it will vary dramatically. ANd I am sure no-one will be surprised about the kind of reaction.

While we can easily say that NO ONE SHOULD REACT VIOLENTLY, it is not so easy to do even for highly educated lot. Leave alone ordinary people.

SO UNLESS, WE UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM OF ACTION-REACTION and minimize harmful ACTIONS, society wont be peaceful. Today it is Hindu-Christian, tomorrow it may be MALE-FEMALE and another day it may be DALIT-UPPER_CASTE. At the bottom of human heart/mind, there is a lot of violence and that comes out in many forms and for many reasons.

PS - sorry to take some ungentle examples.