Rama, Rama Rajya & Nalvadi Krishnaraja Wodeyar

He was 11 years old when he ascended the throne.

Mahatma Gandhi called him a “Raja Rishi”  (saintly king). Historians have compared him to emperor Ashoka. He is seen to have ushered in the golden age of carnatic music.

Yoga and Sanskrit learning took flight under him. Sir M. Visveswaraya was diwan under him. Under them, Mysore became the first State in the country to generate hydro-electric power; Bangalore the first City to have streetlights.

Nalvadi Krishnaraja Wodeyar, or Krishnaraja Wodeyar IV to give his real name, was born 125 years ago on 4 June 1884.

Shyam Sundar Vattam reports in today’s Deccan Herald that a political party which has Lord Rama on its electoral lips hasn’t even bothered to remember the man whose kingdom has been described as Rama Rajya on his 125th anniversary. And this, while the BJP government of B.S. Yediyurappa is splurging untold millions in taking out advertisements on the completion of one year in office.

Shame.

S.M. Krishna‘s gutless regime acquiesced to communalists and parochialists who blockaded Tipu Sultan‘s 200th death anniversary because he was alleged to be anti-Hindu if not anti-Kannada. What is the excuse of the great Hindu nationalists wearing their religion on their foreheads and fighting their elections with it?

Read the full article: State forgets Wadiyar anniversary

Photograph: courtesy Wikipedia

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86 Responses to “Rama, Rama Rajya & Nalvadi Krishnaraja Wodeyar”

  1. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    Yes, I too support the artice(Vattam Jr.’s articles remind me of Vattam Sr.’s article, almost similar style, cool!).

    This is not about religion, it is pure laziness.

    Who is BURANUDIN? Is he the creator or the seller or the printer of that piece of art?

    If possible, I would also like to know the name of that pet(from some credible source please). It’d be interesting to know what names our royal pets had.

  2. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/may/290509-Mysore-Palace-more-visitors-Bangalore-authorities-jittery-security-concerns-new-system.htm

    Read that?

    WTF! We should kick that stupid district-in-charge minister out of Mysore!

    These idiots should concentrate on restoring the murals and paintings ruined by vandals and prevent such vandalism, also lighting inside the palace sucks and they are an eyesore.

    Greenpeace and other greens are demanding for three years now, replace bulbs outside with yellow hued LED cluster bulbs!

    Revive Mysore Lamps, manufacture LED bubs in it, don’t kill it and gobble the prime real estate! Or at least privatise it.

  3. Prashant Krishnamurthy Says:

    I suppose they would have remembered if it was Veer Savarkar’s birthday or Deendayal Upadhyay’s.

    Or Shobha Karandlaje’s.

  4. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Good God! We are back to deifying those creatures from Nazarbad. Did we not have enough of this sordid stuff when discussing Vikram Sampath’s book?

    Ok, Gandhi called this satrap a Raajarshi. So what? What did Nalvadi contribute India’s struggle for freedom? (Incidentally, it was during his regnancy that one of the greatest minds that Karnataka has ever seen, B. M. Srikantayya, sang the Kannada version of “Rule, Britannia.”) Feudalism is feudalism no matter who practices it, living in a splendor that his subjects could only imagine, at least only a fraction of it. Queen Victoria’s soul would be happy to learn that she is not forgotten in this corner of India.

    What does the BJP owe this princeling? Again, okay, someone called this man’s reign Ramarajya. Hyperbole is often used emphasise something, not to prove its literal validity. If we must press the idea, well, the puranic Rama does not seem to have bowed his head to a foreign conqueror and rule at his pleasure. Ramachandra I, KCSI, JCBE, ABCD, indeed.

    Ramarajya essentially means this to me: decent living conditions for everybody, access to education, opportunity to live a contented life. Let some monarchist prove that Krishnadevaraya IV did indeed create such conditions for his “subjects,” and I will do several pradakshinas around Jaganmohan Palace and all the other fabulous real estate owned by the rajavamsha in Mysuru as well as Bengaluru, and Udakamandala too.

    Somebody please help me remember. Did Churumuri spin a thread a couple of years ago about Srikanthadutta’s desire or plan to have the Malangi curse on the royal family lifted?

  5. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    The Rajarshi’s successor, Jayachamaraja, was the last princeling in India to agree to make “his” state part of the Indian Union. He was a member of a reactionary group that wanted the freedom issue to be decided by, of all things, the Privy Council in London.

    Chinnada naadidu Maisuru./
    Gandhada naadidu Maisuru./
    Nalvadi Krishnana Maisuru.

  6. tarlesubba Says:

    churumuri, what does this mean?

    Nalvadi Krishnaraja Wodeyar, or Krishnaraja Wodeyar IV to give his real name….

    are you saying Nalvadi KW is not his real name but KW IV, or are are assuming that Nalvadi KW is different from KW IV in the literal sense?

    nalvadi Wodeyar is not like Malgudi Swaninatha if you know what i mean ;)

  7. sathya Says:

    Can’t make out the agenda of the wrticle. What is the connecton between BJP and the birthday of a king? Every ruler by necessity or compulsion has to do some good and there are many things that are not recorded in history. If the government goes on celebrating/remembering every king of this great land where can it go? People who fought for the freddom of the country have a different notion about the princely states and their attitude towards Britishers.

  8. subbulakshmi Says:

    Pulikesi – “Ramarajya essentially means this to me: decent living conditions for everybody, access to education, opportunity to live a contented life. Let some monarchist prove that Krishnadevaraya IV did indeed create such conditions for his “subjects,” and I will do several pradakshinas around Jaganmohan Palace and all the other fabulous real estate owned by the rajavamsha in Mysuru as well as Bengaluru, and Udakamandala too.”???
    Shame on you for going out of your way to find some even thin imaginary reason to be nasty where actually it is not needed.
    Plse read history, talk to people and you will be doing pradakshina all your life.
    YOu have different yardsticks to measure people. Anyone who had achieved even a small fraction of what Navadi did – today – you would have bent backwards to heap all possible praise. what a shame.

  9. Hiker Says:

    Today is also 20th anniversary of Tiananmen square protests against the communist rajya. Why not one post remembering the victims?

  10. satya Says:

    churumuri well known secular BJP basher ..go ahead its your government at the centre..enjoy

  11. jeevaratna Says:

    PLT says:

    deifying those creatures from Nazarbad.

    &

    The Rajarshi’s successor, Jayachamaraja, was the last princeling in India to agree to make “his” state part of the Indian Union.

    These two statements are enough to expose your ignorance !

    Nazrabad was the Fort created by Tipu by destroying the Old Mysore Fort . The present Fort around Mysore Palace was rebuilt post 1799. As such these so called creatures were never from Nazarbad !

    Jayachamaraja was the first among the Rulers to agree to sign the Instrument of Accession as demanded by the Indian leaders at the helm of affairs in the yet to be born dominion of India. He signed the Instrument of Accession on Aug 9, 1947 and the same was accepted by the Governor General of India on Aug 16, 1947. For proof read the White Paper on Indian states published by GOI.

    For the ignorant at large, Instrument of Accession which was not signed initially by Nizam of Hyderbad and Nawab of Jungadh and Maharaja of Kashmir. Junagadh Ruler acceded to Pakistan and was quickly deposed by the Ministry of State headed by Sardar Patel. It took more than year For Sardar Patel to subjugate the Nizam and the Razakars. Where as it was the conquering Afridis and masquerading Pakistan army which made Maharaja Harisingh sign on the dotted line to enable the Indian army to be airlifted to save Srinagar.

    Again for initiated Instrument of Accession only enabled the Dominion Government to make common laws thro’ out India on Defense,External Affairs and Communications.Yet to quote the Instrument itself , nothing in the instrument affected the Soverignity of the Ruers in and over the State and neither it committed them to any future Constitution of India. This was what the dominion Government wanted from all the Rulers and nothing more !

    But when the Indian constitution as drafted by the Constituent assembly of India and was adopted on 26-11-1949. But as desired by the Constituent Assembly of Mysore ( set up by the Maharaja on 29-10-1947) , Maharaja issued a proclamation on 25-11-1949 itself to adopt the Constitution of India soon to be adopted as the constitution of Mysore thus signifying the merger of the Mysore State with the soon be formed Republic. ( again courtesy White Paper).

    So it is a blatant lie to say Jayachmaraja refused to join the Indian dominion or the union of India at the appropriate time. This is being perpetuated by vested interest and ignorant people who are trying to rewrite the History of Independent India. I advice them to read V.P. Menon’s books on Transfer of Power and Integration of Indian states. (He wrote from first hand knowledge as he served under Sardar Patel in the Ministry of States)

  12. jeevaratna Says:

    PTL says : will do several pradakshinas around Jaganmohan Palace….

    You better do pradakshina around IISc, you may get some moksha !

  13. jeevaratna Says:

    Vattam junior says: Sir M. Visveswaraya was diwan under him. Under them, Mysore became the first State in the country to generate hydro-electric power; Bangalore the first City to have streetlights.

    Hydroelectric Power was generated first by supplying power to the Gold mines of Kolar on 30-6-1902. At that time Sri. P.N. Krishna Murthy was the Diwan. But during the much part of the planning and execution of the Hydro Electric Project at Sivasamudram, Sri. Seshadri Iyer was the Diwan and Maharani Vani Vilas sannidhna was the Regent Queen during the Minority of KRW IV. Even when the city of Bangalore ( 5-8-1905) and Mysore (26-9-1908) got Electric Power, Sri. M .Visveswariah was not the Diwan !

    For the record during the KRW IV reign following persons served him as Diwan:

    # Sir.P.N. Krishnamurthy (1901-06) ( Five Years)
    # V.P. Madhava Rao (1906-09) ( Three Years)
    # T. Ananda Rao (1909-1912) ( Three Years)
    # Sir M. Visvesvaraya (1912-19) ( Seven Years)
    # M. Kantha Raje Urs (1919-22) ( Three Years)
    # Sir Albion Banerjee (1922-26) ( four Years)
    # Sir Mirza Ismail (1926-41) ( 15 Years).

    So in the so called Golden pariod of KRW IV Rule, Sir MV served for a brief period of & Years and Sri. Mirza ismail served for 15 long years.

    Before Him, Sri. Seshadri Iyer served from 1883-1901 ( 18 years ) and even the GOI has published his biography on a series known as Builders of Modern India !

    Vattam Jr, better consult your father before you write !

  14. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Subbulakshamma:

    Before I can feel thoroughly ashamed I think I would like to know what specifically it is that you object to in my ramblings.

    For Others:

    I am tickled that this occasion reminds me of my boyhood history textbooks which said pretty much the same thing about raja the writer wanted to exalt: SaalumaragaLannu nedisida, chatragaLannu kattisida; keregaLannu thoDisida, kaLLakaakara haavaLiyannu thaDeda. If the ruler were pre-British, he would be an aprathima horaaTagara, an equestrian, a sureshot, a dharmapracharaka.

  15. Reddy Janardhan Says:

    Well said churumuri!!

  16. Bangalore Boy Says:

    Churumuri……..Get a Life!!
    what a piece of s**t this article is about!

    Imagination at its peak: KW IV’s birthday – ramarajya – BJP

    Any person with straight thinking can never come up with such a horrific link-up.

    Criticism only for the sake of it sounds crappy and cheap.

    Come up with real issues which are of real concern and then do some constructive criticism.

  17. rakeshgowda Says:

    Shame on you “Pull the last”.

    The golden rule of Krishnadevaraya IV has been recorded in all historical books. Don’t try to Pull someones legs just for your satisfaction Mr.Pull.

  18. Coffee addict Says:

    Well said. Most of the people in the BJP government are semi-literate.
    You can’t expect them to know history of Karnataka.

  19. Rajesh R Says:

    No doubt KRW IV birhtday needs to be celebrated in all it grandeur, but Churmuri pulling BJP in this is reidiculous and shows its bias….
    Pulikeshi:
    Do not critcise a person just because you need too…

  20. Palahalli/ Timepass argumentalist Says:

    We used to have an old man who used to server awesome Churumuri in Ramanuja Road, Mysore… He was so good, people used to come from hunsur road and wait for half hour just to get a taste of his churumuri.
    Now, I forget the name of the guy or whether he is alive or not… but I do really know that he was well known in mysore for what he used to do…

    Considering that he used to make the most awesomest churumuri in mysore, considering that we had the most pleasureable experience while eating his churumuri… should we expect churumuri.wordpress.com to commemorate this guy’s birthday every year considering that this site derives its name from a dish that this was really good at preparing?

    Sure, I am bad at analogies. But my point is this: People who have really made their mark in history will be remembered by virtue of human behavior. If somebody’s birthday is not being remembered, then it means that person hasnt made much enough impact on history and at max can find a mention in the primary / middle school history text books.

    Sir M.V’s birthday will be celebrated regardless of hte govt, regardless of time. and that speaks volumes of the kind of mark on history one should put to be remembered for generations.

  21. kharaharapriya Says:

    Nalvadi and jayachamarajendra wodeyar both were undoubtedly great visionaries. They were ahead of their times. Its sad that their contributions hasn’t been taught in the schools, instead our books concentrate only on eulogizing tipu sultan.

  22. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    Pulikeshi the Last,

    “Arcot Boycott!”

    “Thambu Chetty chaTTa kaTTi!”

    Do these slogans ring any bell?

    These oafs had supposedly had locked themselves in a room along with JCW, trying to convince him to refuse acceding to India. Later, JCW is supposed to have asked the other people working in the palace their opinion, and most of them told him they prefer India.

    Both these traitors are worshipped as though they were statesmen! :(

  23. Gaby Says:

    Ananda Rao got a circle, Krishna Rao & Madhava Rao got a park each, Visweshwariah got many things including a steel plant, Sheshadri Iyer a Red Building in Cubbon Park, Rangacharlu got a Town Hall, Kantha Raje Urs a road- named after them !! I wonder what was given to Krishnacharya Purnayya, T.R.V. Thambuchetty, Sir.P.N. Krishnamurthy, Sir Albion Banerjee, Sir Mirza Ismail, Arcot Ramaswamy Mudaliar- I am sure something considering all these patriarchal figures always thought themselves sooo important that their worshippers would like to perpetuate their names.

    NAWN – the Wikipedia entry for Arcot Ramaswamy Mudaliar says: During his tenure ( sic.. as Diwan), he successfully persuaded the king of Mysore to join the Indian union. Opposite to what you say!

  24. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Jeevarathna and Gaby,

    I am happy to know at last the personages behind the names of those circles and parks. Just before leaving Sheshadripuram and entering the area near the race course, getting stuck in the snail pace traffic and polluted air, I daily wondered about the names. No longer.

    Looks like Brahmins, especially Madhwas, were many among the Diwans.
    Time to bring back the Maharajas supervised by Residents and their Diwans. Indepedence has brought us nothing but misery.

    At least some of my ignorance is now gone.

    That means one less pradakshine and more degree towards moksha. Long live royalism. Where is the Enemy of the Kings?

    Wasn’t quite sure where to locate the Maisur Palace. Thus I chose the nearest locality. What is the area around the statues called? Swarga would be appropriate.

  25. Gaby Says:

    I was trying to be mocking and awkward in naming the parks and roads – clearly I failed. PTL take it easy old chap- these are pathetic old men just like everybody else- Raja and Diwan.

    They will always have other old men who will chant their names all the time whilst you and I wcan say Long live the Revolution or wont you join me in that as well!

  26. jeevaratna Says:

    NAWN,

    It again shows the ignorance of a whole generation of people who were misled by power hungry congress men who on the eve of India becoming Independent dominion raised a false propaganda which seems to have stuck even after 60 odd years despite innumerable records – like white paper, Sradar Patels speeches, VP Menon’s books etc.

    British Parliament passed India Independence Act 1947 announcing vivisection of India in to two dominions. At the same time it announced lapse of suzerainty over Indian states. It meant the Rulers were free to decide as they wanted and could remain as an Independent Nation if they so desired. A maritime state like Trivandrum even fancied such a situation. But Mysore being a land locked state could never have thought on those line if if the Ruler fancied so ! But as earlier stated in the mean time Indian Leaders drafted an Instrument of Accession for all the Rulers and requested them to acceded to the Indian dominion. Mysore was the first to announce its agreement. This was announced by Arcot in a Press conference as early as june 1947 ( Bangalore thro the Centuries – by M. Fazal Hussain – page 206) .

    But this meant Maharaja would continue as a Soveriegn ruler with dominion Government having powers to make laws relating to three subjects. It meant Diwan ( Arcot) would still be at the helm affairs. It meant the Congressmen ( who were in a minority in the Representative Assembly ) could never get a chance to savor the power like the Congressmen in the British India which became a independent dominion. For this the Congressmen for quite some time been demanding formation of whjat they called a Responsible Government. this move was given a mighty push in August 1947 and smear campaign was started that Maharaja was refusing to accede to India and all those arcot boycott etc caught the imagination of working class and young students in Bangalore. This culminated in Mysore Chalo movement. But Maharaja agreed to the formation of Responsible Government on 24-9-47 and invited K.Chengalaraya Reddy to head the Government which included 6 congressmen and 3 non- congressmen. Where as till then Diwan with two Minsters was looking after the state , the Responsible Government had 9 ministers straight away.

    For those who were critical of Arcot, one should know that he was a serving the Indian Government before he joined Mysore and after 1949 was back working for the Indian dominion as delegate to the UNO !

    If one want to live in fools paradise so be it !

  27. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    Gaby,

    Really, ask some elders or even elderly journalists. Is there any way to access the archives of thayi naDu or other newspapers of yore?

    Both these characters are celebrated as heroes on the other part of Kaveri, dunno why, may be they had donated some of their wealth or made Wodeyars to donate.

    The information I have is first hand and even Star of Mysore and Mysooru Mitra used to serialise an eyewitness account of all these events by a retd. station master(AFAIK, he was also a communist and had led a union).

    Arcot Ramaswamy Mudaliar, I guess, was a protestant christian, he was responsible for building St. Philomena’s Church(one of the very few aesthetically appealing churches in Mysore) and was supposedly greatly responsible for missionaries setting up base at Bogadi and Kesare. It was he, who intro’ed baDDi gOpala raya to JCW.

    That fact is supported by a citation in Wikipedia which only says that he was alive during 1947 and worked as Dewan of Mysore, it does not validate that claim.

    The movement against the delay in acceding to India was so popular, the dewan’s namesake had to sacrifice his life! :(

    Prof. AV Narasimha Murthy to rescue!
    http://www.ourkarnataka.com/Articles/starofmysore/circle08.htm

    http://www.arsiyer.co.uk/Theturbulentyears.aspx

  28. Doddi Buddi Says:

    N-A-W-N

    Very fascinating stuff! I will read through the second link and I will comment very soon.

  29. rajachandra Says:

    St. Philomena’s Church, Mysore, was built around 1936 long before Arcot came to Mysore.

    Sir Arcot Ramaswamy Mudaliar was the twin brother of Dr. Lakshman Swamy Mudaliar who was a recipient of Padma Vibhushan and a famous physician & a former Vice Chancellor of Madras University.

    As for as Prof. AVN Murty’s article shows the level of Historical Research in the country and obviously he is also a victim of the smear campaign which fooled the Mysoreans of that time. Years of being a Historian has not enabled him to come out his ignorant stupor .

  30. Coffee addict Says:

    Gaby, Thambuchetty has also got a circle in Bangalore. It is near iconic Thoms Cafe on Wheelers Road.

  31. Yella OK Says:

    rajachandra – What AVN has written in the article is what he has seen. So, pls dont smear AVN on the basis of that article.

    I wonder if there is a citiation near Ramaswamy circle as to why it was named so. It should be – else naming loses all relevance.

  32. dr.manish mokshagundam Says:

    it is naive to think that ramarajya can be created by the polity. Ramarajya is possible if the people can facilitate such an oppurtunity, if we create a demand for ramarajya, we can hope that some day a king like Rama may appear

  33. rajachandra Says:

    Yella Ok,

    I am sorry if if i have not articulated my comments in the right perspective!

    I have no doubt the learned professor has written from his personal experience and much part of his narration is true.

    But my comments were based on the quote:

    Our popular slogans in our processions were Arcot boycott; Thambu Chetti – Chatta katti etc. There used to be a proverb in Kannada at that time Mountbatten Kottaroo Modaliyar Kodolla meaning even though Mountbatten gave independence, Arcot Modaliyar did not give.

    Again in another artilce @

    http://www.ourkarnataka.com/Articles/starofmysore/junagadh08.htm,

    he says:

    Even a benevolent and enlightened Maharaja of Mysore, fell into this trap and did not accede to the Indian union graciously. The people had to fight for it.

    My comments are basically against this insinuation.

    Read what VP Menon states in his book:” Integration of Indian States”

    “The Process of transition by which Mysore became an integral part of the Indian Union was smooth and easy. In August 1947, the Maharajah executed both the Instrument of Accession and the Standstill agreement”

    Agitation for Responsible Government is quite different from the process of Integration of the Indian states with the Indian dominion thro’ Instrument of Accession.

  34. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    Rajachandra,
    IIRC, you had a flamewar with AVN publicly in SoM, right?

    The fact that Arcot Mudaliar and Thambu Chetty had locked themselves in a room trying to convince JCW, was told to me by a trustable acquaintance who worked in the Palace and was also asked by JCW about his opinion, this is an eyewitness account, I cannot substantiate it though, that acquaintance is now no more.

    Thambu Chetty is the guy who got St. Philomenas built. His son-in-law was a partner of baDDi gOpalaraaya who cheated Sir CV Raman, JCW and many other celebrities.

    This is the reason why I want to access the archives of Thayi NaaDu or some similar reliable newspapers.

    ***

    It was Thambu Chetty who was a Christian and responsible for encouraging christianity in Mysore.

  35. Anonymous Guy Says:

    NAWN,

    While reading your posts, I remembered an elderly relative telling me of participating in the protests and shouting ‘Thambu Chetty Chatta Katti’.

    I think he said he was in GAS college (which he said was the nickname for government arts and science college) at that time. He also mentioned during the conversation that football (soccer now) was as popular as cricket (which was played in the central college grounds). Unrelated trivia :)

  36. rajachandra Says:

    I do not have anything personal against AVN nor did i have a flamewar (!) with him in SOM. I express my views based on records not hearsay !

    What is unusual about a King closeted with his Diwan and secretary ? If someone starts gossip based on this it is quite normal as it happens even today in Political circles. End of the day it is just a gossip not supported by facts. Any King worth his salt has to obtain all possible shades of opinion before he can take a momentous decision to change the system of Governance from a Presidential to a West minister type and dilute his own powers.(I say presidential system because like American system where the Senators and Congressman do not have Ruling powers in Mysore – we had from 1881 a democratic institution which became bicameral later – also legislators did not have Ruling powers. Like American system where the Secretaries are hand picked by the President, we had Maharaja selecting his Diwan and his fellow Councilors. Like in America Diwan was never a legislator. Only difference being King unlike President was not elected by this people, but his popularity was never in doubt ) .

    As for as St. philomena Church, there was a older church built by Mummadi Krishna raja wadiyar at that location . New Church was built during the Rule of Nalvadi Krishna Raja wadiyar. Thamboo chetty who was the Huzur secretary to the Maharaja obtained a relic of the saint from abroad and handed it over to the Father. It would be wrong to say he got the church built or he was responsible for encouraging Christianity in Mysore ! As a matter of fact this church was under attack by the Muslims of the area – Read the book by Mr. M.A. Srinivasan in this regard. In fact before him T.R.A. Thumboochetty was the first Indian to become Chief Justice of an Indian High Court. In fact before him T.R.A. Thumboochetty was the first Indian to become Chief Justice of an Indian High Court. He became became the Chief Judge of the then Mysore State and was in that post from March 1, 1891 to August 11, 1900.

  37. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    Cool, MA Srinivasan’s book was also recommended to me earlier, I had forgotten about it! Thanks for reminding.

    Records … can I ask what they are? Where can we access them? Guess the gazetteer(post-independence) will be regarded propaganda of the Congress or the GoI.

    Oh! Here, no one is denying that people’s movement but are saying the cause for it was manufactured, right?

    rajachandra,

    hmm… Are you R. Rajachandra (Urs?), son-in-law of JCW? :O

    Your contribution to Wikipedia on matters relating to Mysore is seminal! :-)

  38. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    What is a flame war? What is SOM?

  39. Anonymous Guy Says:

    PTL,

    Flame war – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)
    (Happens all the time on Churumuri)

    SOM – Star of Mysore?

  40. rajachandra Says:

    NAWN !

    I am a Mysorean and studied in Mysore @ Yuvaraja’s and NIE !

    Rest of My CV – does it matter ? Neither can i deny nor can i identify myself beyond this ! I believe, it is not necessary and at best is only incidental.

    Fact remains, i did not use a pseudo name like most do in this column and hurl invectives like creatures etc on personalities who were held in high esteem by contemporary people from all walks of life. Such senseless comments hurts and made me barge in to this blog and say few things. In the process if i have hurt any one, then i am sorry !

    Just a few words on KRW IV: Paul Brunton, a highly acclaimed philosopher , mystic, traveler and writer spent considerable time in Mysore State. He dedicated his book: The Quest of the Overself – The classic work on how to achieve serenity of mind ( 1937), to the Maharaja. This is what he says:

    If the world’s rulers would emulate Your Highness and bestow a fragment of their time on pure philosophy, the illustration thereby gained would immensely profit them in wiser policies and their people in happier lives; peace would then become a reality and not the phantom that it is today. Your Highness provides an exemplification for all men by showing that it is possible to attain a lofty spirituality and yet attend to one’s immediate duties as effectively as the most materialistic person, and indeed infinitely better.

    The clear Hellenic mind of Plato foresaw that, “the world can only be saved if the Kings become Philosophers or if the Philosophers become kings.” The love which everyone in the state bears for you reveals how true are those words…..

    Unquote:

    Can you say the same on any of our present day democratically elected Rulers ? Despite antipathy to the so called feudal era not all were cruel or feudal. Destiny made them Kings but they did Rule with wisdom!

    Let us not cavil with prejudice and hurl invectives at them just because you are born in a different era !

    Lastly NAWN , Nice to know you have noticed my sporadic wiki contributions ! Thanks and good bye !

  41. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/flame_war

    http://www.starofmysore.com/

  42. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    All asthaana vidwans have to praise the hand that feeds them. Dore Blunton is no exception. Please direct us to substantive sources.

  43. rajachandra Says:

    Paul Brunton was not an Asthan Vidwan !

    It is futile responding to boorish inanities ! Yet not to make it appear to any chance blogger that my silence as acquiescence, i recommend following sources for further reading:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Brunton#Biography
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Raja_Wadiyar_IV

  44. Puliikeshi the Last Says:

    Gaby–

    Sorry I missed your joke.

    Purnayya has a choultry.

    Doesn’t Thambuchetty have a street named for him in the Cantt. area of Bengaluru?

    Krishnamurthy obviously has Krishnamurthypuram.

    A cannot believe anybody would want to name anything for somebody who called himself Albion Bannerjee, knight or otherwise. Something like Gokulashtami and Raheem sahebru.

    With many others above, I do believe that Ramaswamy Circle commemorates one of the twins. The question is were they both inflicted on Nalvadi?

    How good were KRW’s English, Tamil, or Telugu for him to converse with his babel of diwans? Why was Vishwesharaya, the true visionary among them, given short shrift? How many of the orders of the British Resident were carried out by the diwans without any demurring? I cannot help but be dismayed by the designation of “Raj Bhavan” for the Residency.

    Nobody can deny that the present is shaped by the past in many ways, but it is important to live in the present.

    What was KRW doing when Deputy Chennabasappa was championing the cause of Kannada in south Bombay Presidency?

    The Maisuru kings’ ignorance and apathy have much to do with the state of Uttara Karnataka today.

    I am still waiting to understand why Subbulakshmi wants me to be tarred and feathered. I would rather wear sackcloth and ashes and beg in front of St. Philomena’s, the only church in Maisuru featured on a picture post card.

    I remember Jeevarathna’s vociferous assertions when we were discussing Sampath’s book. Let’s agree that his knowledge about these matters is substantial. But after he corrects somebody’s notion why must he call the person ignorant? If he is right, hasn’t the point already been made?

    Sorry about Rajachandra’s plight, trying to prove that which cannot be proved.

    Carry on, Nick. We have got to burst the royalists’ bubble.

  45. Arun Says:

    Pulikeshi the last,
    Substantive sources? go to Mysore, talk to senior citizens. We are talking about a recent history and there are many still alive to give their narrative. Since you did not know who Ananda Rao was, believe me, it would certainly be worthwhile.

  46. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Wikipedia hasn’t yet acquired the status of a refereed journal, has it?

  47. rajachandra Says:

    PTL

    Your ignorance is palpable ! Your pathological hatred towards the Royalty has blinded your thought process. Most of it is gibberish.

    The level of discussion here at times makes one feel queasy !

    Do not gloat at my plight : trying to tell the historical truth to some faceless gnome.

    what is wrong is Roads, Extension having names of Kings and Diwans etc ? If there can be Benki-Nawab street , Jagjivan Ram’s statue in front of the Heritage Railway station and countless nagar’s named after current generation politicians then why find fault with the past. After all in Bangalore not long ago Muni Reddy Palya was named as JC Nagar !

    Albion Bannerjee’s name can be seen at Century Club’s Roaster at least !

    Albion Bannerjee was the the only ICS officer to become a Diwan of Mysore ! As Sri. M.Kantharaja Urs took voluntary retirement due to ill health, Bannerjee was elevated and served for a brief 4 years.

    How good was KRW’s English ?

    In 1892, Prof. J .Weir of Maharaja’s College, who heard KRW speak in English said : If i had not seen with my own eyes and if someone else had told me, i would not have believed it as true nor would have thought it is possible ! I am not sure whether i should praise the teacher Raghavendra Rao’ ability or the student’s intellect !

    Again in 1894, when Filed Marshal Sir George Wolsley visited Mysore said: The two little boys both of whom speak English very prettily …..

    You should know he was the first Chancellor of Banaras Hindu Varsity. This alone should make you realize how highly he was held even outside Mysore.

    He was a polyglot and even composed many hymns in Sanskrit .

    When he visited Europe in 1936 ( his lone visit abroad), The Star, wrote in its column on 17-7-0-1936 thus: ” Talking to him makes one realize that he is one of the greatest spirits in any country or of any generation.”

    I will revert to other points you have made in your post when i find time

  48. Anonymous Guy Says:

    Maybe nitpicking – but since when did wikipedia become a reference? Want me to go and change the pages?

  49. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    AG–

    Are your questions addressed to me? The first one is definitely the one I want to see answered. Is the information about Nalvady in it definitive?

  50. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    AG–

    Are your questions addressed to me? The first one is definitely the one I want to see answered. Is the information about Nalvady in Wiki definitive?

  51. rajachandra Says:

    Why was Vishwesharaya, the true visionary among them, given short shrift?

    After Rendition in 1881, Maharaja Chamaraja Wadiyar encouraged Mysore students to prosecute higher studies. At that time as these students had to go either to Madras or to Bombay/poona, Mysore Government instituted Scholarship to help them. Among the many beneficiary was Sir M. Visvesavaraya . He was given a Government scholarship to study Engineering at the College at Poona. Young Visvesavaraya who had just finished his B.A examination went to meet Diwan Ranagcharlu (1881-83) and the Diwan was pleased with the boy and sanctioned Scholarship. After his graduation in 1884 at the Poona College of Science, M. Visvesavaraya joined service as Assistant Engineer in the PWD department of Government of Bombay.

    Mr. M.McHutchin , Chief engineer Mysore was sue to retire in 1909. V.P. Madahava Rao , Diwan of Mysore ( 1906-09) sent a Telegram to M. Visvesavaraya asking him to join duty as Chief Engineer of Mysore. But Sir MV did not show any interest to come back to Mysore.

    After a couple of months the New Diwan Mr. T. Ananda Rao (1909-1912) sent another letter in May 1909 in which he wrote: His Highness would be glad to secure your services in view of your High qualification and distinguished services and of the fact you are by birth a Mysorean!

    Again Sir MV procrastinated for over three weeks and wrote to know if the Mysore was willing to encourage Industries and Technical Education!

    It was surprising as he himself was a beneficiary of the Scholarship and by 1909 Mysore had taken a giant step in Industrialization by becoming the First state in Asia to generate Hydro electric Power which was used at gold Mines of KGF to begin with!

    People who denigrate the Indian Royalty as stooges of British Empire should understand the Indian Intelligentsia preferred to work for their white masters in the British Presidencies!

    But in the end as Sir MV got personal assurances of the Maharaja in this regard, he joined Mysore Service as Chief Engineer in Nov 1909 and rose to become the Diwan within 3 years and succeeded Mr. T. Ananda Rao. He served as Diwan for 7 years from 1912-19.

    Around 1916-17 there was an agitation in Madras against the Brahmin community in view of the predominant positions they enjoyed in Government services. Similar agitation took place in Mysore also. Maharaja appointed the then Chief Judge of Mysore Sir Leslie Miller was appointed to consider the question of providing reservation to Back ward communities in Government services. As Sir MV was opposed to the establishment of the Miller Committee, he obtained the Maharaja’s consent to retire from service( April 1918). He wanted some time to complete all pending works before retiring and wished his retirement to be kept as a secret and be allowed to retire at his convenience, to which the Maharaja readily agreed. In De 1918, he went on six months leave and at the end of that period his retirement was announced in a Gazette Extraordinary !

    He was succeeded by Sir M. Kantha Raje Urs (1919-22) as Diwan. He was the maternal uncle of the Maharaja and had served the Mysore Government in various capacities after his graduation at Madras. He along with the Yuvaraja was also in the forefront of campaign for amelioration of the conditions of the oppressed classes in Mysore State. After he took over he immediately implemented the Millers Committee report.

    So Sir MV was not given any short shrift by the Maharaja as alleged. On the contrary SIR MV had gone back to Bombay after retirement and Maharaja sent Diwan Albion Banerjee to Bomaby in 1923 to persuade SIr MV to take over control of the Mysore Iron and steel works at Bhadravati and save it from closure ! Thus he became the Chairman of the Board of Management of the unit for around 6 years. The fee received from this assignment he donated to start a occupational institute at Bangalore.Maharaja Jayachmaraja wadiyar accepted the proposal and started the Institute by spending further large amounts. Mr. N, Madhava Rao was the Diwan at that time. Sir MV graciously requested the Young Maharaja to name it as Sri. Jaya Chamarajendra Occupational Institute.

  52. Puliikeshi the Last Says:

    Rajachandra–

    1. Your ignorance is palpable ! Your pathological hatred towards the Royalty has blinded your thought process. Most of it is gibberish.

    I am sorry that my “pathological hatred” of the royal family has greatly annoyed you. My complaints are against forces that lend legitimacy to colonialism and imperialism at any level. I do try my best to make what I say sound ungibberish. I will try to minimise my ignorance. I think Jeevarathna wants me to do the same.

    2. The level of discussion here at times makes one feel queasy !
    We should all be thinking about raising the level of discourse. Perhaps one first step might be to try hard to be civil and not to call fellow posters names.

    3. Do not gloat at my plight : trying to tell the historical truth to some faceless gnome.

    My stature or face is not the issue. The issue here is keeping in mind the distinction between historiography and history. Anecdotage perhaps is part of neither. Furthermore, look at all the anonymous posters here. It is good that you are speaking in your own voice.

    4. what is wrong is Roads, Extension having names of Kings and Diwans etc ? If there can be Benki-Nawab street , Jagjivan Ram’s statue in front of the Heritage Railway station and countless nagar’s named after current generation politicians then why find fault with the past. After all in Bangalore not long ago Muni Reddy Palya was named as JC Nagar !

    I never objected to naming streets, roads, and neighbourhoods after illustrious people. Benki-Nawab Galli really adds a bit of charm to Avenue Road and Kilari Road. However, Munireddy Palya becoming JC Nagar is a sad tale of a commoner’s name being usurped by a feudatory. If Munireddy has any descendents, I hope they complained against this insult. This is overkill.There is already the polytechnic and JC Road as monuments to the descendent of Nalvadi.
    5.Albion Bannerjee’s name can be seen at Century Club’s Roaster at least !

    I am still tickled by a babu whose first name means “white.” Again, let his name be flourished anywhere. I have no problem with it. As a commoner, I have little to do with any club.

    6.Albion Bannerjee was the the only ICS officer to become a Diwan of Mysore ! As Sri. M.Kantharaja Urs took voluntary retirement due to ill health, Bannerjee was elevated and served for a brief 4 years.

    This bit of information is heartening. There was at least one native Kannadiga serving as Diwan. I wish Urs had lived longer. If there had been more like him, perhaps Kannada would not have to fight for its existence in Bengaluru today.

    7.How good was KRW’s English ?

    In 1892, Prof. J .Weir of Maharaja’s College, who heard KRW speak in English said : If i had not seen with my own eyes and if someone else had told me, i would not have believed it as true nor would have thought it is possible ! I am not sure whether i should praise the teacher Raghavendra Rao’ ability or the student’s intellect !

    Anecdotal confirmation. There are many kinds of English. My question was about the fluency with which Nalvady communicated with his Prime Ministers and his ability to speak with his British lieges about Maisur’s interests. If he did have that kind of command of the English language, perhaps we would get to keep more of the Kaveri waters.

    8.Again in 1894, when Filed Marshal Sir George Wolsley visited Mysore said: The two little boys both of whom speak English very prettily …..

    With all due respect to the Field Marshall, I don’t think his patronising comment really has anything to do with my question. Just note the word “prettily.” Educated, incredibly rich, brown children speaking English should not have been an extraordinary sight. The condescension sounds perfectly colonial and boorish to me.

    9.You should know he was the first Chancellor of Banaras Hindu Varsity. This alone should make you realize how highly he was held even outside Mysore.

    Think of the nature of chancellorships of our universities, conferred on senile politicians who are being rehabilitated, disgraced professors, or retired public servants lording it over everybody from the Raj Bhavan. I would not think this was a recognition of any particular gift of Nalvadi. Incidentally, Crawford Hall is named for the white man who gave University of Mysore money and that speaks nothing to Crawford’s intellectual prowess, if there was any.

    10.He was a polyglot and even composed many hymns in Sanskrit .

    Surely the hymns pleased Chamundeshwari and her myriad relatives in the sky. What the Raja’s common subjects made of them will never be known.

    11.When he visited Europe in 1936 ( his lone visit abroad), The Star, wrote in its column on 17-7-0-1936 thus: ” Talking to him makes one realize that he is one of the greatest spirits in any country or of any generation.”

    Please tell me more about the Star. It wasn’t a local newspaper, was it? Where in Europe was the raja? Who would have been obtuse enough not to pay a visiting dignitary a compliment? Are we to jump for joy any time Europeans or Americans say something nice about our having brains? Why do we need their approval? The issue again is how Nalvadi used English in statecraft.

    12.I will revert to other points you have made in your post when i find time

    I do look forward to hearing your comments. And I hope you will tell me what Nalvadi used his fabulous wealth for. It was the people’s money, just as the palace is. I get dizzy just looking at all those zeroes in the amount mentioned by Wikipedia.

  53. vinay Says:

    i am really enjoying this thread …

  54. Gaby Says:

    Yeah PTL- go for the jugular of the Vandhi-magadhas- rooting for you all the way.

    BTW King Moon (as DB might have called you if he wasnt gazing at your writing with moony eyes!) This Albion chappie would be on the ROSTER of whichever club- a ROASTING is what PTL is giving to Royalists right now ( would that make me a Vandhi-Magadhi of PTL?)

  55. Raa saa Says:

    reg. what Mr.pull keshi the last says about ramaswami circle.
    the circle came to be called Ramaswami Circle because he was falsely made a martyr. I was approximately in the area at the time when the police commissioner Rana — singh ordered a police firing (totally unjustly) at an exited crowd who were valiantly (!) shouting pro-independence slogans. Ramaswami was not a member of this group but happened to be a bystander. he was accidentally shot. Confusing him to be a martyr the Circle was called after his name.
    If pulllikeshi wants to shine in a selfmade hallow of unfounded vilification of the last two Wodeyars, I suggest he may atleast do a bit of hard reading and talk to people who were witness to the contribution of these kings and try to come out of the cocoon of his ‘era’.

  56. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Raa Saa-

    Thanks for correcting me. I am glad it is Ramaswamy Circle and not Ramsamy Circle. As for getting in touch with witnesses to the golden rule, I think that would still be collecting anecdotal tidbits. If my halo is made of vilification, I will surely doff them both and become ” hollow”
    instead of “hallow.”

    Gaby–

    Thanks for your kind words. I am mighty glad that you see the unnatural whiteness of this Bannerjee personage, a forerunner of Niradh Choudhury. You are right. He would be on any roster of wannabe whites. Now I also know that Teresa Bhattacharya and her spouse were not the first Bengalis to rule our pitiful state.
    From what I have seen in your posts, I assure you you do not qualify to be anybody’s “vandi maagadhi.”

    Vinay–

    I think most of us like Churumuri because of its deliberately mischievous choice of topics discussing which turns out to be proof of the law of unintended consequences while encouraging open expression of dissidence or approval as the case may be.

  57. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Not to mention the wit and wisdom of many Karnatakans.

  58. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Tigers Whiskers The Ultimate!

    Sorry to say you are barking up the wrong tree! When the whole of India was under British Rule it is unfair to talk about the greatness/smallness of Mysore Kings! You cannot apply your New Age tools to analyze what went on 150 years ago! If you do many absurd contadictions abound. In all fairness it must be admitted that the Mysore Kings were decent than the most. We can split a few pubic hairs on this issue. That said, are you living in a Utopia to expect along the lines of ‘Thirukana Kanasa’ that you would be better off in those times? You could for example see for yourself what benign rule the Nizam’s subjects in the neighbouring Hyderabad had.

    All matters should be judged bearing in mind the situations that existed then. Kaveri waters for instance. Even then smarter CMs of Karnataka (Nijalingappa, Veerendra Patil, Devraj Urs) were able to build more dams in Karnataka over time so as to improve our own agricultural areas under river water irrigation. For long Kongas and their brains trust had the first-mover advantage in many fields. It is only natural that they had greater persuasive powers and the ear of the British Administration. Kannadigas only got united in 1956 and we haven’t done too badly either.

    Today if any body remembers Mysore, it is only because we had a good system of governance even granting there were excesses, the people benfitted immensly. All progressive ideas inclduing reservation, women empowerment, family planning were all first tried out in Mysore State.

    IMHO I think you have taken a few cheap shots on the fluency of English demonstrated by the erstwhile Kings of Mysore. Does it really matter even if the praises were condescending? Those were the days of Rule Brittania.

  59. Gaby Says:

    Raa Saa sir,
    I am finding it too hard to understand what you mean when you say you were approximately in the area when Ramaswamy was injured in police firing ?Could you please tell what that means? I must say the turn of phrase was very PRETTY.

  60. jeevaratna Says:

    Rama Rama what all is happening here !

    Raa saa sir, it is heartening to see a veteran on this gibberish blog ! It also shows how much heat this thread has generated !

    One can see there is a quite a different perspective to the same story than the one AVN had fictionalized !

    PTL: you say :
    Perhaps one first step might be to try hard to be civil and not to call fellow posters names.

    But it was you had not written :

    Good God! We are back to deifying those creatures from Nazarbad.

    If you had not called the Maharaja’s as creatures, then myself and all others would not have taken cudgels on behalf of the departed souls !.

    I do not think any one else has called names to the bloggers here beyond what is permitted as parliamentary !

    I also see you have said :

    Let’s agree that his knowledge about these matters is substantial. But after he corrects somebody’s notion why must he call the person ignorant?

    Thank you for word of patronage ! Very generous for a chnage ! But when and where have i called some one ignorant ?

  61. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    DB—
    I would think recognising the relativity between the present and the golden age allegedly minted by the two Wodeyars is definitely what I have been talking about. No time or no person is exempt from scrutiny, no matter whether it is characterised as “barking up the wrong tree” or “a cheap shot.” Thus I do not believe we need to establish separate standards for those who ruled by putting their daskat on every document sent to them by the British via the diwans.
    Having lived under paalegars and saamanthas of various stripes for centuries, Kannadigas have never been able to experience autonomy and self-rule to this day. Under the Wodeyars there were four strata above the common man like poor Munireddy whose paalya has been renamed, for instance. At the top was the emperor/empress in London, the British Resident in Bengaluru, the Diwans, and then the ruling satrap respectively. The last one was not free to exercise his own putative wisdom independently. Paying homage to imperialism to secure his own niche and wealth would have been his main concern. Regardless of the relatively benign despotism of Maisur’s mandaliks compared with the the demented Nizams’ in next door Hyderabad, the offending truth is that both ruled at the mercy or pleasure of the colonizer in faraway London. If there were a Ramarajya, the design for that alleged structure was validated not on our soil, not by our souls, but by tribute extracting white people. It is for this reason that I am loath to accept the mythical golden age of an enlightened ruler. A more prosperous province certainly meant greater kappa for Britannia. All right, KRW did not keep all of the loot to himself, but how about those countless zeroes mentioned on the Wiki webpage? It may not be out of place here to recall that the Wodeyar vamsha even to this day is one of the richest families in the whole country and that it owes the union exchequer billions of rupees in unpaid taxes.
    The education of the rulers comprehends more than the condescending approbation of a “kumpany” soldier that you say does not really matter. Did they have a world view which would encourage them to put themselves in the larger picture? Did their command of the English language carry enough authority for them to negotiate directly with London if necessary on behalf of their wards as Gandhi was to do for Indians at the Round Table Conferences? Was their own education comprehensive enough to prod them to promote universal education in Kannada in every village in Maisuru raajya?
    We are often asked to subscribe to the cunard that the royal personages were polyglots. As a matter of fact, I have serious doubts about their inwardness with Kannada itself. If not eloquent, were they at least persuasive speakers in public? Are there any records of what they said to ordinary Kannadigas on public platforms? No one old enough to remember JCW’s stilted farewell address in Kannada broadcast before he was packed off to Madras as governor can say that was a touching moment in our history. I have been berated for my ignorance here and asked to educate myself by many. I want those bloggers to direct me to sources that show the flunkeys were interested in the well-being of Kannada and those who speak it. Are there any extant records to show that persons like Alur Venkatarao or Bendre were invited for a personal audience by them and given substantial rokka to continue their Kannada kainkarya in the Marathi infested North Karnataka? I do know that there were aasthaana vidwans, and the arts were patronised in Maisuru, but that is not the same thing to say that they were genuinely interested in the language most of their subjects spoke. I am as grateful as the next Kannadiga to hear that KRW granted a few square feet of land for the Kannada Saahithya Parishad in Chamarajapet, but my gratitude does in no way convince me that it is all he could have done for the cause. Those of us who shed tears that poor Shrikantadatta does not have all of his palace to conduct his annual durbar perhaps should ask what he has done for Kannada and Kannadigas.
    Speaking of Kannada, Kannambaadi Katte, etc., we should also recall that the royal family deeded the entire eastern quadrant of Bengaluru to the British so their top heavy bureaucracy could while away their time pleasantly on the plateau, protected both by their police and army in return for securing the family’s privileges and vast acres of real estate in the province. Had this unfortunate situation not occurred, today there would not be whole pockets of population in Bengaluru’s environs where Kannada is either virtually unknown or need not be learned. I would also mention in this context a major contradiction in our thinking here. We scream for Kittur Chennama’s statues to be installed everywhere because she fought against the British. Why are we not mindful of the incontrovertible fact that the British were invited into Maisuru by Lakshammanni grovelling to free the royal family from Tippu’s control? What makes a Hindu satrap better than a Muslim tyrant?
    The most dangerous thing for any developing society is to wallow in a false consciousness that prevents the cultivation of autonomy among its members. It is my hope that it is not too late for us to develop an intellectual might that will save us and our land and our language. Royal history has not been kind to us, but I am glad that we at least are not required today to meet the loyalty test by singing “Kaayow Shrigowri, Karuna Lahari” to the tune of “God save the Queen.”
    If I understood the meaning behind Jeevaratna’s mysterious comments, I might try to respond to them. Such is not the case, alas!

  62. rajachandra Says:

    AG says: but since when did wikipedia become a reference? Want me to go and change the pages?

    You will not be the first person to do! It is precisely because of such one-upmanship, I contribution to Wikipedia have almost petered out!

    One of such very recent experience is worth recounting. I have with my personal collections a very rare framed picture of Mummadi Krishna Raja Wadiyar. I took the trouble of taking a digital photo of the same and did a bit of digital enhancement and posted it both at flikr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/14633426@N02/1507534036/) and at wikipedia. It has appaeraed in churmuri also (https://churumuri.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/crack-the-mysteries-of-mysore-one-step-at-a-time/)
    But some one going by a fancy name Fowler&fowler, deleted my effort saying: I personally doubt that it is a picture of KRWIII, notwithstanding that it has been in your family for many years. Compare the picture with the that of the child KRWIII in the History of Mysore and Coorg, 1800–1947 !

    Astounding and absurd are the ways of hackers .

    Such are the hazards of writing and posting in Wikipedia and blogs ! So go ahead do your bit !

  63. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Rajachandra–

    Take it easy. No one is obligated to accept everything one does or says. Your own posts are a testimony to that fact.

  64. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    Rajachandra,

    Wikipedia too, like the Independent India, is a democracy which is administered by a bureaucratic mess.

    It is not hard to heckle the fowler&fowler and get the image there, if you had mentioned that the photo is in Bangalore Palace(where I guess it really is, that moderator would not have any problems.) :D

    Do you know what was the name of the pet dog or at least, what were pets called during that time?

    I want to know whether pets were named like today(the names which Champak* gives to human beings.) or whether they had macho sounding cool native names.

    *Kids’ magazine

  65. rajachandra Says:

    NAWN : It is not hard to heckle the fowler&fowler and get the image there, if you had mentioned that the photo is in Bangalore Palace(where I guess it really is, that moderator would not have any problems.

    Sorry sir, it is in my house. I do not know if there is a similar one in Bangalore Palace

  66. rajachandra Says:

    PTL: I am still tickled by a babu whose first name means “white.”

    Here is this bit for your perspicacious self !

    Sir Albion Raj Kumar Banerji (1871-1950), M.A, CSI, CIE, ICS was the son of Sasipada Banerji who was a doyen of the Brahmo Samaj. He was born when his parents were on a brief Visit to London. This was the reason why he was named as Albion!

    But after his ICS, he served in many places in Madras Presidency. He was the Diwan of Cochin between 1907-14. There is Road in Ernakulam called Banerjee Road !

    Later under Sir MV he joined Mysore as a Minister (Councilors as they were known). But for the ill health of Sir. M. Kantharaja Urs, he would have left Mysore service much earlier. But ended up as Diwan as the later resigned. He served as Diwan between 1922-26 . Thus he ended in signing the 1924 Cauvery accord!

    After leaving Mysore he was appointed as the Foreign and Political Minister ( equivalent of Diwan) in 1927, but resigned in 1929 in disgust stating that he could not see “a large Mohammedan population absolutely illiterate, labouring under poverty and very low economic conditions of living in the villages and particularly governed like dumb driven cattle. Because “There is no touch between the Government and the people , no suitable opportunity for representing grievances… The administration has little sympathy with the people’s wants and grievance.

    ( Compare this with Mysore )

    He was a very good orator and spent much part of the next decade abroad and established in London a quarterly journal called Indian Affairs. He has also penned many books like INDIAN TANGLE (Hutchmson—London), INDIAN PATH-FINDER (Kemp Hall Press—Oxford), RHYTHM OF LIVING (Ryder & Co -London), LOOKING AHEAD IN WAR TIME (Harmony Press-London), WHAT IS WRONG WITH INDIA (Kitabistan—Allahabad), THROUGH AN INDIAN CAMERA ( Bangalore Press).

    But he was not the only Bengali to have served Mysore state! Sir Brajendra Nath Seal , KCIE (1864-1938) was the second Vice Chancellor of University of Mysore between 1921-29.

  67. Arun Says:

    Pulukeshi
    The same applies to you also

  68. Anonymous Guy Says:

    Rajachandra,

    Editing wikipedia is not ‘hacking’. Thats the way wikipedia works – and that is why it is generally not quoted as a reference, only as a broad introduction to a subject. If someone edited what you put up, there is a workflow to follow to re-edit it. If you dont like it, too bad, not much one can do. After all wikipedia is free and you get what you pay for.

    PTL,

    Looks like the asthaana vidwans are closing their ranks on you :) While at the same time suggesting that they are superior beings and how beneath them this blog is etc. Living in some bygone glory perhaps. But that is probably the way it is, many years from now you will be talking of the ‘good old days’ when you left messages on blogs and how things have changed for the worse (though it is difficult to picture that).

  69. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Thanks, AG.

    Who is AVN and why does he arouse so much spiteful ire in our royalist comrades? Is any of his work available online?

  70. Anonymous Guy Says:

    Aradikoppam Viswanatha Sastry Narasimha Murthy, b. 1935, former Head, Dept. of Ancient History, Mysore University.

    You can get a couple of his archaeological/historical papers online if you search online (doubt if it will be free).

  71. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Tiger’s Whiskers The Ultimate,

    I must request you to learn the history of Mysore State before you start shooting from your ‘Ox Gun’ :)

  72. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    DB–

    “Avaravara bhaavakke, avaravara bhakuthige . . .”

  73. Gaby Says:

    DB sweetheart , where do you learn the History of Mysore from- would be grateful for any objective source not influenced by the opium of nostalgia, dissociative corpse worship and the delirium of anecdotes and fairy tales.

  74. rajachandra Says:

    It’s been long hiatus as I was busy! But when I checked in, I was shocked at the usage of words like Flunkey! This is not the first time, earlier they were called as creatures. I am aghast at the miserable collection of crude puerilities which is being blurted out with regularity by a fantastic bunch of anonymous bloggers who seem to take vicarious pleasure in spitting venom by exhibiting their steadfastedness in their crass profundity.

    Use of words like Creatures, Flunkey is uncouth and uncivilized behavior which has no place in a democratic society governed by rule of law. It is patently defamatory for which the Administrators of this blog are equally responsible. One fails to understand by what they mean when they say: Your comment is awaiting moderation! It is a sham!
    It is understood that it is defamatory to impute anything to a deceased person, if the imputation would harm the reputation of that person if living, and is intended to be hurtful to the feelings of his family or other near relatives. But here you are calling them names! It is simply not done.
    No one is coercing any one to adore, eulogize any one here. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech and expression. Freedom of speech and expression is not an unfettered right. Just as any person is entitled to the freedom of speech and expression, every person is entitled to his reputation which is regarded as a property.
    Let us show some restraint and have a healthy dialog based on facts and let us use this technological tool to exchange views and for dissemination of Knowledge. No one is objecting a little bit of fun or candor is expressing views.

  75. rajachandra Says:

    However, Munireddy Palya becoming JC Nagar is a sad tale of a commoner’s name being usurped by a feudatory. If Munireddy has any descendents, I hope they complained against this insult. This is overkill.
    Incidentally, Crawford Hall is named for the white man who gave University of Mysore money and that speaks nothing to Crawford’s intellectual prowess, if there was any.
    PTL ! Take it easy! MR Palya’s name was changed recently IN THE 80’S not by the Wadiyars. Do you remember there was a Road named as Vani Vilas Road ! This was changed and named as M.G. Road at the behest of the then Minister! I do not think the any of her descendants reacted to this insult. Do you think this was over kill ? After all every town has a MG Road! But I did read somewhere that few old Mysoreans went to court about this and won the case.
    It appears even the Gods above are not free from such vicissitudes in their fortunes ! After all Mahabalachala Hill is known as Chamundi Hill today and 90 % of the visitors hardly ay a visit to the mahabalachala next door !
    But when the Grade Separator was built at Mekhri Circle, Bangalore, alert family members of Late Sri. Mekhri not only salvaged the old Granite name plaque from the debris of the Bangalore Palace compound, but managed to reinstall the very same plaque back on the compound wall.
    As for was your comments on Crawford Hall, one fails to understand why should the intellectual prowess or the lack of it should pique you! For the record, Lt. Col. W.L. Crawford came to India when he was 18 and his brother 17. They established themselves by sheer hard work as major Planters at Sakleshpur ( aka Munzerabad by Tipu ). They donated Rs. 15,000.00 to build a Hospital at Sakleshpur in 1941. There were other donors like Mr. B. Mallapa and Mr. S.N. Devappa. Foundation stone for the Hospital was laid on 19-2-1941 by the Maharaja Jaya Chamaraja Wadiyar. It is still the largest Hospital in Saklshpur and is known as Crawford Hospital. Lt. Col. W.L. Crawford also gifted land for the Coffee Research Station at Bale Honnur. It was much later around 1946-47 they donated 1.5 Lakhs for the construction of what is today known as Crawford Hall. How can you find fault with such whole hearted support of public causes!

  76. rajachandra Says:

    Quote:
    want those bloggers to direct me to sources that show the flunkeys were interested in the well-being of Kannada and those who speak it. Are there any extant records to show that persons like Alur Venkatarao or Bendre were invited for a personal audience by them and given substantial rokka to continue their Kannada kainkarya in the Marathi infested North Karnataka?

    Erstwhile Kingdom of Mysore ‘s boundaries were circumscribed within the Eight Districts namely Bangalore, Kolar, Tumkur, Mysore, Hassan, Kadur, Shimoga, Chitaldrug. Mysore was bifurcated in 1939 and a new District Mandya was carved out. (Hope some one will mandyada gandu to celebrate the platinum jubilee of the formation of Mandya district and hog some limelight)

    Before 1947, Rest of Karnataka was known as Hyderabad Karnataka ruled by Nizam of Hyderabad, Bombay Karnataka coming under Bombay Presidency and Dakshina Kannada, Bellary, udupi etc which were under Madras Presidency. Besides Coorg was being ruled directly by British since 1834 thro’ its commissioners. In addition to the above there were small Princely states ruled by Nawab of Savanur, Ghorpade’s of Sandur, Ghorpade’s of Mudhol , Patwardhan’s of Jamkhandi .
    Under the above scenario it is mere petty rhetoric to blame wadiyar’s for the status of Kannada language and in the regions which were not under their benign rule. Before you bark it would be relevant to investigate what was the official language in the other princely states mentioned above and what those Rulers did to propagate Kannada in their respective principality.

    Though it may not be relevant to go in to the contributions of early Wadiyar’s to the Kannada and culture, it is relevant to quote Dr. T.V. Venkatachala Sastry‘s description of Mummadi Krishna Raja wadiyar’s rule in an article titled kannaDa sAhityakke maisUru oDeyara koDuge- prabhuddha karNATaka, 1990.

    He states:

    mummaDiyavaru tamma vidyAbhimAna, kalAbhiruci, rasikate, prajAvAtsalya, dAnaguNa, migilAda sAhitya samArAdhaneya utsukate iMtaha guNagaLiMda sAhityakavAgiyU sAMskRutikavAgiyU tamma ADaLitada avadhiyannu saMpadbharitavannAgi mADidaru. I dikkinalli cikka dEvarAjara kAlavannu punarAvartisidaru; mIri munnaDedaru. avara kannaDa prEma, sAhityalAlaneya udArate, kannaDa sAhityEtihAsadalliyE advitIyavAdudu.

    … haidarali TippugaLa kAladalli vidhvastavAgidda kannaDa kale sAhitya saMskRutigaLu Iga ujjIvanagoMDu bahubageyalli sAhityasRuShTige avakAsha mADiduvu….

    It is a succinct statement on the status of kannada in 1799 and thereafter under the troubled reign of Maharaja Mummadi Krishna Raja Wadiyar ( 1799-1768).

    …/ to be continued.

  77. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Please continue to call us names. You are good at this business. And Churumuri too is now culpable. Kaliyugadalli enu bekaadru aagabahudu. Arasara Ramarajya matthe barali, and then we might expect another fusillade written by Ramaraje Urs.

  78. rajachandra Says:

    Gauri satya, who appaers to be part of this blog and a veteran Mysorean wrote many years ago in kannad prabha about Mummadi Krsihna Raja Wadiyar under the caption ” hosagannaDa gadyada prathama shilpi” :

    kannaDa sAhityakke hosa gattu gammattugaLannu nIDi, hosagannaDa gadyada prathama shilpiyeMdu karesikoMDa, `kannaDada bhOjarAja’ mummaDi kRuShNarAja oDeyara kAladalli(1794-1868) viphula sAhitya sRuShTi naDeyitu. doreyE allade, doreyu nIDida apAra prOtsAhadiMda halavAru vidvAMsaru, paMDitaru kRuti racane mADi sAhitya suggiyannuMTu mADidaru.

    Chamaraja Wadiyar X:

    Mummdadi was succeed by his adopted son Chamaraja Wadiyar X (1863-1894). After Renditiion of Mysore in 1881, Maharaja Chamaraja wadiyar X (1881-1894) continued the great tradition of his illustrious father.

    In 1886 he started an institution to promote kannada language and literature known as “karNATaka bhAshOjjIvinI sabhA”.

    Under him Kannada Drama received special impetus and he got many Kannada drama’s specially written by his courtiers like abhinava kAlidAsa Basappa Shastry and others. In 1887 Maharaja started cAmarAjEMdra karNATaka nATaka sabhe, thro’ which these kannada drama’s were staged under his patronage.

    He also started in 1887 the oriental research library to preserve and propagate Kannada classics.

    ***

    KRISHNA RAJA WADIYAR IV (1884-1940):

    After the untimely death of Chamaraja Wadiyar, his wife Vani Vilas Sannidhana ruled the state as Regent and her son Krishna Raja Wadiyar IV took over the reigns in 1902.

    Before I dwell on this, it is necessary to nail the slur by PTL on Maharaja’s contribution to Kannada outside his Kingdom.

    The Karnataka Vidyavardhaka Sangha was an institution established on 20 July 1890 by Sri R H Deshpande in Dharwad which was then under the rule of Bombay Presidency. This institution was established with the sole objective of promoting Kannada culture and language in times when Marathi reigned supreme in Dharwad. Soon this institution morphed into a hub for the Karnataka Ekikarana movement.

    In 1905 Maharaja gave 8000 rupees towards the construction of a Building by Karnataka Vidhya Vardhaka sangha and this was called as chamaraja Mandira.

    …/ To be continued

  79. Gaby Says:

    RC, you hit the nail on the head when you say let’s have a dialogue based on facts- sadly even the references you give are mostly hoary personal correspondence, apocrypha and the Star of Mysore- so where is the evedence based dialogue my friend.

    Sadly in our iconophilic society everyone from Shri Ramachandra to Mummadi to Nalvadi to Gandhi to Rajkumar are all to be protected from any criticism – harsh or soft.

    So let’s at least be entertained by calling each other names.

  80. Yella Ok Says:

    When we write kannada in English, can we make it simpler to read the way we write pls. For example, apaara is much easier to read and comprehend than apAra, saahitya rather than sAhitha, needi instead of nIdi. of course in the case of a “d” in kannaDa (or kannada?), it is much more difficult to simplify.

    Is there a standard kannada writing in English that can be evolved???

    P.S – this is not a personal attack on anybody. I am using this thread to understand better a bit of the history and to recognize the prejudices and biases of many people.

  81. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Glad to know one of my favourite organisations got Rs. 8000 from the Rajarshi.

    What was the cost of building new palaces in Maisuru and Bengaluru?

    ***

    Before Shri Rajachandra crafts more phrases to characterize my ignorance, crassness, lack of respect for the dead, and venomous puerility while calling for civility while putting a nail in my head in these squares of space, I just want to reiterate what I said at the beginning of this discussion:

    I am troubled by what imperialism and colonialism have wrought on the world. Even as we speak, western economic colonialism and cultural imperialism are swallowing nation after nation.

    Shri Rajachandra swamigalu once said my hatred of the royal family was pathological. Without resorting to medical metaphors, I want to say that no act that condones, encourages, endorses, or harbors the twin horrors mentioned above can evoke feelings of gratitude or saarthakya in me.

    I have learned much from Shri Jeevarathna and Rajachandra. Alas, that knowledge is powerless in assuaging the wounds inflicted on our psyches by the nightmare of history.

    This question comes out of curiosity. During our debate on Vikram Sampath’s book, there was a contributor who called himself ithihaasapriya and I wonder what has become of him.

    Yella OK: The problem of transliteration started receiving attention fairly recently. As long as there is no problem of creating unintentional side effects, say with words like “hELu,” I suppose whatever reasonable way of using Kanglish merits acceptance.

  82. rajachandra Says:

    Yella Ok.

    I have used the transliteration rules of Baraha – a free soft ware available at http://www.baraha.com/. If you just copy what i have posted and paste it at Baraha page, you can covert it to kannada .

    Gaby: i have never quoted from Star of Mysore . At best, few of my letters have been published either under the Voice of the Reader or elsewhere.

    Whatever i have written is based on facts at my command – like old books, speeches etc. I have never tried to fictionalize a fact as some do. It is not possible to give reference to everything you write here. But if you have any doubt about anything specific, you are free to question me.

    As i have already reiterated , i have nothing against any one here including PTL, my objections was only against the personal remarks. It is a free world and if you are free to hate any one or any system.

    ***

    KRISHNA RAJA WADIYAR IV (1884-1940):…Contd..

    Maharaja Krishna Raja Wadiyar IV used Education as a medium to spread Kannada to the nook and corner of his state. Some of his statements on important occasions bear testimony to this.

    At the inauguration of the first Mysore Economic Conference on 10-6-1911, Maharaja said:

    Education is the sovereign remedy for all economic evils. Much has been done by my Government in recent years by giving increased grants and otherwise to spread knowledge and awaken the intelligence of the people. To mark our sense of its importance, we have given the subject of Education the first place in the general programme placed before you.

    Mysore Economic Conference created a study circle under H. V. Nanjundaiah ( First Vice – Chancellor of Mysore University). A sub-committee formed under the study circle came up with five different topics on which suggestions were invited.

    • To come up with ideas to promote unity and co-operation among Kannada speakers spread across different regions.
    • To come up with suggestions for a common written Kannada which had diversified across different regions.
    • To ensure that students learning Kannada language use a common text book.
    • To improve the general knowledge among the Kannada speaking population by publishing appropriate books. To come up with appropriate Kannada translations for words used in other languages, especially the scientific words.

    This lead to the creation of “Karnataka Sahitya Parishat” with a mandate to conserve and promote Kannada language and literature. H. V. Nanjundaiah was unanimously elected to be the President of the Parishat in which post he remained for the first five years.

    It is pertinent note that the institution was then known as “Karnataka Sahitya Parishat” and not Mysore Sahitya Parishat etc. It is only later it was rechristened as Kannada Sahitya Parishat.

    As an extension of the functioning of this institution Kannada Sahitya Sammelana was held at various locations .

    For the benefit of PTL , it is necessary to point out that :

    • 16 th Kannada Sahitya Sammelana was held in 1930 at Mysore was chaired by Alur Venkata Rao
    • 20th Kannada Sahitya Sammelana was held in 1934 at Raichur was chaired by Panje Mangesh Rao.
    • 27 Th Kannada Sahitya Sammelana held in 1943 at Shimoga was chaired by Da. Ra. Bendre.

    Need I say more !

    ***

    KRISHNA RAJA WADIYAR IV (1884-1940):…Contd..

    Again some of the speeches by the Maharaja in the early days of Mysore University indubitably prove Maharaja’s deep love for Kannada.

    On the occasion of the inauguration of the first senate of Mysore Varsity on 12-10-1906, Maharaja said:

    I am naturally interested in the special encouragement of Kannada literature which is provided for in the University scheme; we all know that study of the vernaculars is very apt to be neglected nowadays in both schools and colleges, and I am glad to see that our University scheme provides for a fuller and more continuous course of teaching, not only in Kannada, but also in the other vernaculars of South India which are spoken in Mysore.

    Again while speaking at the first convocation of Mysore University on 19-10-1918, Maharaja said:

    Our University attaches great importance to the study of Vernaculars which are made compulsory through out the course, and the Publication Bureau is doing very useful work in encouraging the publication of books written in Kannada.
    ……I trust that the university will do all in its power to foster the study of our mother tongue and of Sanskrit, two languages which must always command the sympathy and interest of all educated Mysoreans…

    This fact is reaffirmed during the Silver jubilee of the Mysore University when the then Maharaja Jaya Chamaraja Wadiyar said in his speech dated 12-7-1941:

    …..It has done not a little to disseminate scientific knowledge through extension lectures and vernacular publications, while it has at the same time contributed to the heightening of popular interest in Kannada literature……

    ***

    KRISHNA RAJA WADIYAR IV (1884-1940):…Contd..

    Maharaja’s love and mastery over classical music is common knowledge. It was under him people like Bidaram Krishnappa ( from Nandalike near Udupi) made Mysore as their home and contributed immensely to carnatic music & Drama . Maharaja encouraged his Asthan Vidwans to compose in Kannada in all the 72 melakrtha Raga’s. With the exception of Mysore Vasudevacharya who defied him, all the Asthan Vidwans took it up as a challenge. This led to a surfeit of compositions in Kannada. Even Dr. Harikeshanallur Muthaih Bhagavatar ( from Tirunalveli in Tamil Nadu) composed in Kannada with the help of Devottama Jois like the 108 chamundeswari ashtottara kritis.

  83. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Rajachandra mahaswamigaLe,

    I am not seeking your approval to hate anybody or any system. However, thank you for your gesture.

    Thanks also for correcting my “slur.” But you still have not answered my questions about the rajakulathilakaru addressing their prajegalu in Kannada at public forums.

    All those Sahithya Sammelanas held in Old Mysore–Raichur was under the Nizam–were subsidised by the revered KW? Did our prabhus attend any of those conferences? You think they were familiar with something like M. S. Puttanna’s “MaadiduNNo Maharaaya?”

    Why must I be grateful that the local chakravarthys promoted the learning of Samskrita? I am a hardcore Kannadiga and Kannada means more to me than Samskrita, Latin, Greek, or English.

    Did the feudatories write the speeches you cite? Were they in Kannada?

    Did I ever question the Rajas’ patronage for the arts? They had the means and the time. I will, however, say that they did something significant by patronizing Ustad Abdul Kareem Khan, without whom Sawai Gandharva and his five great disciples would have been impossible.

    Whatever I have said is intended to spark a debate about historiography. Please remember that the duty you have been discharging, i.e., defending the Rajakula was self-imposed.

    Do enlighten me about the money spent on building those palaces. Where did the money come from, if not from the revenues extracted from my grandfathers and greatgrandfathers who tilled a couple of acres here and there?

    Why am I to be grateful that the Crawford brethern and their ilk received preferential treatment as coffee farmers?

    I hope to see at least one reaction that will not insinuate that those who disagree with you are raajadrohis. Too late for me to want to call myself Raj Bahadur, Rajasevaasaktha, ithyaadi.

    In the meantime, see if you can persuade the last kudi of the vamsha to donate what he does not need to Kannada and Kannadigas. I might then repent my sinful calumniation of the successors to Krishnadevaraya.

    Gabakka: You really expect the stuff we have been reading here to be documented? Oral history is a splendid way of saying everything I say is true and don’t ask me to substantiate anything.

  84. rajachandra Says:

    I am not discharging any duty nor i am defending some one who needs to defended at all. Even before me likes of subbulakshmi , rakeshgowda, kharaharapriya, jeevarathna & others have said much the same. I only made an honest attempt to allay some one dimensional diatribe by few people here with facts at my disposal. There is nothing oral here. i am not saying some kagakka, goobakka story here. when i give dates of the speeches and the years etc , it means they are from written, published sources.

    ***

    quote:

    The Rajarshi’s successor, Jayachamaraja, was the last princeling in India to agree to make “his” state part of the Indian Union. He was a member of a reactionary group that wanted the freedom issue to be decided by, of all things, the Privy Council in London.

    This fact has already been traversed by Jeevarathna.

    Mysore Rulers never attended any meeting organized by the chamber of princes. where as it was attended by almost all the other nearly 560 Rulers.

    The Rulers never needed the freedom issue to be decided . As per S- 7(b) of the India Independence Act 1947, the suzerainty of the British over the Indian lapsed. It meant the dominion governments had no control over the Indian states. On the contrary it was the Indian Leaders who wanted it to be resolved by the Mr. Mountbatten. Whereas Mr. Jinnah refused to accept a Britisher to become Dominion of Pakistan’s first Governor General , Dominion of India’s leaders wanted Mr. Mountabbaten to stay and help them.

    If one wants to know about these facts : Read

    1. The Transfer of Power in India by V.P. Menon.
    2. The Story of the Integration of the Indian states by V.P. Menon
    3. White Paper on indian States – GOI

    ***

    JAYA CHAMARAJA WADIYAR ( 1919-1974):

    Lastly we come to the troubled time of the last Maharaja Sri. Jaya Chamaraja Wadiyar (1940-1950). He was very young ( 21), when he assumed the reigns of power. At that time he was looking for a career as a Western composer under the tutelage of ace Russian composer, pianist, and conductor Sergei Rachmaninoff. But the sudden death of His father Yuvaraja Kanteerva Narasimha Raja Wadiyar in March 1940 and His uncle Maharaja Krishna Raja Wadiyar in Aug 1940 catapulted him to the hot seat as King of Mysore. World War II, agitations like Quit India movement and agitation for Responsible Government shook his regime and yet he rose in stature both as a Philosopher and Composer.

    The following statement by Dr. D.V. Gundappa at the silver jubilee function of the Gokhale Institute of Public Affairs reflects his stature:

    ………His Highness embodies to us – if I may take the liberty of so speaking, a combination of all that one wishes to find in a young citizen of India, love and reverence for her ancient heritage, devotion to letters and art, concern for the higher values of human life, an instinctive feel for the ideals and principles of constitutional government and a conscientious regard for the public interest. His Highness is the inheritor of an age-long tradition of soulful striving in the service of the country. ….

    After India became a Republic, Maharaja of Mysore was the Raj Pramukh of the State. According to Art 366(21) of the Indian Constitution (as it existed then), Maharaja of Mysore was to be the Raj Pramukh of Mysore State. It means it was intended to be hereditary post! But when the Government of India contemplated Re-organization of the States on linguistic basis, it appointed a State Re-organization commission headed by Justice Fazal Ali. At the same time, the Mysore government appointed a fact-finding committee, headed by M. Sheshadri. This committee inexplicably opposed the unification. When Justice Fazal Ali met the Raj Pramukh, he willingly agreed to the abolition of the hereditary post of Raj Pramukh and said:

    namma rAjapadavi hOdaru ciMteyilla, kannaDigarellA oMdAgalI hAgu muMdAgali mattu karnATaka EkikaraNavAgali

    If he became the Governor of the Integrated Mysore State later, then it was incidental and at the pleasure of the President. It is another matter, he felt stifled with the attitude of the some the Karnataka politicians and shifted to Tamil Nadu and did not continue there also much longer. He was not shunted to Madras as alleged! To call his voice as stilted only shows the obvious narcissism. In one of his last public speeches at Gadag on the occasion of Rajyotsava in 1973, he said:

    Iga rAjatva annOdu horaTuhOgide , siMhAsanada hakkubAdhyategaLu horaTuhOgive. Adare nimma hRudayasiMhAsanadalli kUrisiddIri. adakkiMta heccAda siMhAsana, hakkubhAdyategaLu dorekive eMdu bhAvisuttEve.

    But to address the issue of promotion of Kannada by JCRW, it is better to fall back on what Dr. T.V. Venkatachala Sastry‘s says in his article kannaDa sAhityakke maisUru oDeyara koDuge- prabhuddha karNATaka, 1990.:

    jayacAmarAjEMdra graMtharatnamAleyannu AraMbisi apAra dhanavyayadiMda Rug vEda, upaniShattugaLu, purANagaLu mattu itara vaidika sAhityagraMthagaLannu anEkAnEka saMpuTagaLalli mUla mattu kannaDa tAtparyasahitavAgi nADina vidvAMsariMda bareyisi prakaTisiddAre. I kArya amOghavAdaddu, abhUtapUrvavAdudu. su. 350 doDDa saMpuTagaLa 30,000 puTagaLalli haraDiruva vaidikasAhityaj~jAnasaMpattu I mahAnubhAvarige kannaDigaru cirakRutaj~jarAgiruvaMte mADide.

    It is said Maharaja donated the books to University of Mysore for distribution. But unfortunately, almost all the books in this series have become scarce.

    Around this time last year, I had the privilege to meet Dr.C.S. Yogananda, Professor & Head of Dept. of mathematics, Sri Jayachamarajendra College of Engineering, Mysore, thro’ the good office of Dr. R. Ganesh. Dr.C.S. Yogananda is doing yeoman’s service in unearthing these classics from virtual obscurity and has undertaken to digitize and publish them as DVD’s and also wishes to upload them on the Web shortly for the universal benefit of one and all.

    ***

    Having traversed the issue of Patronage of Kannada by the Mysore Rulers post 1799, i would like to end with what two of Gaints of Kannada literature have said about KRW IV :

    B.M.Sri the doyen of Modern Kannada literature wrote :

    gaMdhada guDiyidu maisUru
    cinnada nADidu maisUru
    vINeya beDagidu maisUru
    nAlvaDi kRuShNana maisUru

    Dr. N.Chinnasvami Sosale in his book – nAlvaDi kRuShNana maisUru, wishes to add another significant line like- dalitOddArada maisUru.

    Dr. Masti Venkatesh Iyengar in his – Navaratri wrote:

    mUvatteMTu abudagaLa kAla nAlmaDikRuShnabhUmipana
    olava lAlane pAlaneyali nalidudu nADu.
    rAjadharmave rUpavettaMte dharmadali
    nAlmaDiya kRuShnarAjeMdrarI rAjyavanu
    ALi kerekaTTegaLa kaTTi kAluve tODi
    vidyeyanu haraDi udyOgagaLa nelegoLisi
    lakShmiyanu neleyAgi nilisi nidhigaLa hUDi
    haLeyabeLe hecci hosabeLesEribaruvaMte
    bEsAyavanu tiddi rAjamArgava geyisi
    kAvya saMgIta nATaka shilpa citragaLu
    niluvaMte beLevaMte kaleyananupAlisuta
    pOShisuta nADu nagaragaLu cennappaMte
    siMgAra mADisuta dIpagaLa beLagisuta
    kRutakRutyarAdarappudu.

    For those who wants to read some of the recent books which discussed KRW IV’s Rule directly or otherwise are:

    1. nAlvaDi kRuShNana maisUru by Dr. N.Chinnasvami Sosale (2005- prasArAMga kannaDa vishvavidyAlaya)

    2. “dharege doDdavaru” by Dr. Subhash Bharani IPS( 2005- Dravid Publications)( doctoral thesis submitted to Kannada University, Hampi. The Author has dedicated his book to Maharaja KRW IV)

    3. Sovereign Spheres by Manu Bhagavan (2003-Oxford University Press)

  85. Chris Stuart Says:

    Hi,
    I am a grand child of Loftus or perhaps Charles Crawford who farmed coffee in the then Indian State of Mysore. I am interested in hearing from anyone who might have known them.

  86. Nagaraja Rao Says:

    I have read the entire churumari and was facinated by the information about wadeyars and diwans of my state Mysore. Old is gold and unlike Bangalooru my town of Mysore still holds the treaure of Kannada literature. Hope my language Kannada is retained to its original glory for a long time. Sri Kannadam Baalge,Gelge

    Nagaraja Rao, Toronto Canada

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