‘Sanskrit is Test cricket; other languages are T20’

Cricketer turned administrator Anil Kumble at the inauguration of Jnana Ganga, the world Sanskrit book fair organised by Samskrita Bharathi, at the National high school grounds in Bangalore on Thursday.

Said Kumble:

“Twenty20 cricket may be attracting huge fan following and entertaining the masses, but Test cricket is still the ‘real’ cricket. Any aspiring cricketer needs to play the longest version of the game to hone his skills. Similarly, Sanskrit is the ‘real’ language, the rest are its progenies.”

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42 Responses to “‘Sanskrit is Test cricket; other languages are T20’”

  1. 2 Day Test Says:

    When we get our butt whipped by Baroda in under two days
    AND a bowler gets called for chucking… our lead administrator had
    NOT said a word about building domestic cricket. Wattay cricket
    administrator. Or Maybe he should stick to Sanskrit??

  2. Shiva Says:

    Kumble should stick to what he knows best..

  3. Murthy Says:

    Only a humble selfless Kannadiga can say something like this on a language which itself can trace it’s routes to old roots of Kannada and then all comes the exaggeration of Indo European origins.
    Way to go Kumble.

  4. Binkada Singari Says:

    if kannada is t20, then kuvempu, bendre, and k s na are our cheer girls? shivane shambhulinga!

  5. Anurag Says:

    This mela has become not a Sanskrit Mela but a Brahmana
    jathre with all known and unknown brahmins talking about everything
    from cricket to Samskrita.

  6. Simple Says:

    This is an insult to Kannada, Tamil, Bengali, Gujarati,
    Telugu and the rest.

  7. Mohan Says:

    Kannada people realize. I think this Kumble said that he
    took Sanskrit in school so that he can write answers in English. :D
    . Yes, he is really a Sanskrit scholar, like all the other ones.
    :D

  8. dinesh Says:

    When test cricket cant feed me, i will switch to T20. tHAT
    IS WHAT HE IS TRYING TO SAY.

  9. Priyank Says:

    Looks like, Kumble was invited to gather the attention of
    young Kannadigas to this festival. The invitee, knowing nothing
    more about the history and evolution of languages has uttered this
    “Sanskrit is test cricket, all others are T20s”. However, his
    statement reflects the mindset of the organizers of this event –
    “Sanskrit is given the top honors while the rest of Indian
    languages are fit to be ignored”.

  10. Vasant Says:

    ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಡಗಿರುವ ಅರಿವನ್ನು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಜನರಿಗೆ ಪರಿಚಯಿಸುವ
    ಉದ್ದೇಶದಿಂದ ಶುರುವಾದ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಭಾರತಿ ಸಂಸ್ಥೆ ಬೆಂಗಳೂರಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ
    ಪುಸ್ತಕ ಮೇಳ ಆಯೋಜಿಸಿದೆ ಅನ್ನುವ ಜಾಹೀರಾತು ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕಂಡೆ. ವೇದ,
    ಉಪನಿಷತ್ತು, ಆಯುರ್ವೇದ ಸೇರಿದಂತೆ ಹಲವು ಜ್ಞಾನ ಸಂಪತ್ತನ್ನು ಜನ ಸಾಮಾನ್ಯರಿಗೆ
    ಮುಟ್ಟಿಸುವುದು ಈ ಮೇಳದ ಉದ್ದೇಶವಾಗಿದೆಯಂತೆ. ಪುಸ್ತಕ ಮೇಳಕ್ಕೆ ನನ್ನ ಯಾವುದೇ
    ವಿರೋಧವಿಲ್ಲ. ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಮೊದಲೇ ವಿರೋಧ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಎಲ್ಲ
    ಒಳ್ಳೆಯದು ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಅನುವಾದಗೊಂಡು ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಿಗೆ ದೊರಕಲಿ ಅನ್ನುವುದು ನನ್ನ
    ನಿಲುವು. ಆದರೆ ಈ ಮೇಳದ ಜಾಹೀರಾತು ನೋಡಿದಾಗ ಅಚ್ಚರಿಯಾಗಿದ್ದು, ಈ ಮೇಳದ ಸಹ
    ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಕರು ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ಕನ್ನಡ ಮತ್ತು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಇಲಾಖೆ ಎಂಬುದು !
    ಕನ್ನಡ ಮತ್ತು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃ’ತ’ ಇಲಾಖೆಯೇ? ಆರ್.ಎಸ್.ಎಸ್ ನ ಅಂಗಸಂಸ್ಥೆಯಾದ “ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ
    ಭಾರತಿ” ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಪ್ರಚಾರ, ಪುಸ್ತಕ ಮೇಳ ಅಂತ ಖಾಸಗಿಯಾಗಿ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮ
    ನಡೆಸುವುದಕ್ಕೆ ಯಾರ ವಿರೋಧವೂ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಆದರೆ ಇಂತಹ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮವನ್ನು ಕನ್ನಡ ಮತ್ತು
    ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಇಲಾಖೆ ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಿಸುವುದರ ಹಿಂದಿನ ರಹಸ್ಯವೇನು? ಇಮಾಮ ಸಾಬಿಗೂ
    ಗೋಕುಲಾಷ್ಟಮಿಗೂ ಏನ್ ಸಂಬಂಧ? ಬೆಳಗಾವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ನಡೆಯಬೇಕಿದ್ದ ವಿಶ್ವ ಕನ್ನಡ
    ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನಕ್ಕೆ ಸರಿಯಾದ ಆದ್ಯತೆ, ಗಮನ ಕೊಡದೇ ವರ್ಷಾನುಗಟ್ಟಲೆ ಅದನ್ನು ಮುಂದೆ
    ಹಾಕುವ ಸರ್ಕಾರ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಪುಸ್ತಕ ಮೇಳದ ಯಶಸ್ಸಿಗೆ ಟೊಂಕ ಕಟ್ಟಿ ನಿಲ್ಲುವುದನ್ನು
    ನೋಡಿದಾಗ ಅದನ್ನು misplaced priority ಅನ್ನದೇ ವಿಧಿಯಿಲ್ಲ. ಹೇಗೆ ಕೊಂಕಣಿ
    ಅಕಾಡೆಮಿಯ ಕೆಲಸ ಕೊಂಕಣಿ ಭಾಷೆ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಯ ಉಳಿಸುವಿಕೆ-ಬೆಳೆಸುವಿಕೆಯೋ, ಹೇಗೆ
    ತುಳು ಅಕಾಡೆಮಿಯ ಕೆಲಸ ತುಳು ನುಡಿ, ತುಳು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಯ ಪೋಷಣೆ, ರಕ್ಷಣೆಯೋ, ಅದೇ
    ರೀತಿ ಕನ್ನಡ ಮತ್ತು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಇಲಾಖೆಯ ಕೆಲಸ ಕನ್ನಡ ನಾಡು-ನುಡಿ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಯ
    ಉಳಿವು,ಬೆಳೆವು, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡತನದ ಅರಿವು ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಸುವತ್ತ ಗಮನ
    ಹರಿಸುವುದೇ ವಿನಹ ಇಂದು ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಮೇಳ ಇಲ್ಲವೇ ನಾಳೆ ದಿನ ತಮಿಳು ಮೇಳ, ಹಿಂದಿ
    ಮೇಳ ಅಂತ ತನ್ನ ಕಾರ್ಯ ವ್ಯಾಪ್ತಿಗೆ ಸಂಬಂಧಿಸದ ಮೇಳಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಿಸುವುದಲ್ಲ.
    ಕನ್ನಡ ವಿಶ್ವವಿದ್ಯಾಲಯಗಳು ಅನುದಾನವಿಲ್ಲದೇ ಒದ್ದಾಡುತ್ತಿವೆ. ಗಡಿ ಭಾಗದ ಕನ್ನಡ
    ಶಾಲೆಗಳೆಲ್ಲ ಒಂದೊಂದಾಗಿ ಬಾಗಿಲು ಹಾಕಿ, ಅಲ್ಲಿನ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರೆಲ್ಲ
    ಪರಭಾಷಿಕರಾಗುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ, ಇದಾವುದನ್ನೂ ಗಮನಿಸದ ಸರ್ಕಾರ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಪುಸ್ತಕ
    ಮೇಳವನ್ನು ಪ್ರಾಯೋಜಿಸುವುದನ್ನು ನೋಡಿದಾಗ, ಕೋಟ್ಯಾಂತರ ಜನ ಆಡುವ ಜೀವಂತ
    ಭಾಷೆಯತ್ತ ಅದಕ್ಕಿರುವ ಆದ್ಯತೆ ಏನಿದೆ, ಎಷ್ಟಿದೆ ಅನ್ನುವ ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ
    ಮನಸಲ್ಲಿ ಬರದೇ ಇರದು. ಕನ್ನಡ ಒಂದು ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ನುಡಿ ಈ ಮೇಳ ಶುರುವಾದ ನಿನ್ನೆ ದಿನ
    ಶಿಕ್ಷಣ ಮಂತ್ರಿ ಕಾಗೇರಿಯವರು ” ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತವೇ ಎಲ್ಲ ಭಾಷೆಗಳ ತಳಹದಿ” ಅನ್ನುವ ಹಸಿ
    ಸುಳ್ಳೊಂದನ್ನು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ. Linguistics ಅನ್ನುವ ವಿಜ್ಞಾನ ಗೊತ್ತಿರುವ
    ಯಾರಿಗಾದರೂ ಗೊತ್ತಿರುವ ಅಂಶವೆಂದರೆ ದಕ್ಷಿಣ ಭಾರತದ ಕನ್ನಡ,ತಮಿಳು,ತೆಲುಗು,
    ಮಲಯಾಳಂಗಳು ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಭಾಷೆಗಳು ಅನ್ನುವುದು. ಹಾಗೆಯೇ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಅನ್ನುವುದು ಇಂಡೋ
    ಆರ್ಯನ್ ಭಾಷಾ ಕುಟುಂಬಕ್ಕೆ ಸೇರಿದ ಭಾಷೆ ಅನ್ನುವುದು. ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಿಂದ
    ಸಾಕಷ್ಟು ಪದಗಳನ್ನು ಎರವಲು ಪಡೆದಿದೆ ಎಂದ ಮಾತ್ರಕ್ಕೆ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಅದರ
    ತಾಯಿಯಾಗುವುದಿಲ್ಲ. ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ಬದುಕಿನ ಭಾಷೆಯಾದ ಕನ್ನಡ ಅತ್ಯಂತ ತುರ್ತಾಗಿ ಗಮನ
    ಬೇಡುತ್ತಿರುವ ಈ ಸಂದರ್ಭದಲ್ಲಿ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ಆದ್ಯತೆ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಉಳಿವು, ಬೆಳೆವಿನತ್ತ
    ಧಾವಿಸುವುದಾಗಬೇಕೆ ವಿನಹ “ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಎಲ್ಲ ಭಾಷೆಗಳ ತಾಯಿ”, “ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ =
    ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ” ಅನ್ನುತ್ತ ತನ್ನ ideological pet themesಗಳನ್ನು ಪೋಷಿಸುವ
    ಕೆಲಸಗಳತ್ತ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ಸಂಪನ್ಮೂಲವನ್ನು ಪೋಲು ಮಾಡುವುದಕ್ಕಲ್ಲ ಅನ್ನುವುದು ನನ್ನ
    ಅನಿಸಿಕೆ.

  11. Ramesh Rao Says:

    Though “Samskruta bharati” is a sister concern of RSS;
    “Kannada and Culture Department” which is a government run
    organisation has sponsored the event of “Sanskrit book fair”. I
    really don’t understand the reason behind it. While “Kannada and
    Culture Department” must be promoting Kannada culture, it is
    promoting Sanskrit. No, I ain’t fan of irony here! And, bravo
    Kumble 1. for enlightening us Kannadigas with your thoughtful
    comment. 2. For enlightening us Kannadigas that we are less humans
    3. For enlightening us Kannadigas that Kannada is inferior 4. For
    enlightening us Kannadigas that Kannada is a progeny of Sanskrit
    albiet they have different genesis

  12. madhu bhat Says:

    its a saffron jatre where you can find all size janivara
    talking endlessly on glory of girvana bhasha. kumble calling this
    language as mother of all and comparing it as test cricket shows
    his ignorance. shantamma papamma. irony is that kumble used t20 to
    praise, why he coulnt do it in Sanskrit itself.

  13. Nija Says:

    If you cant prove your mettle in T20, you take shelter
    under the 5-day match. If you cant prove your mettle in Lightning
    chess, you take shelter under its slow version. If you cant prove
    your mettle in Pole-vaulting, you take shelter under the safer
    long-jump. If you cant prove your mettle with your own language,
    you take shelter under a no man’s language – so that you could win,
    at least because of the sheer lack of competition. C’mon Kumble!
    Stick to your “pitch”, and prove your strengths there. But hey,
    thanks for comparing today’s languages with T20. Both parties are
    cool, and they rock. I dont know about Sanskrit. Any native
    speakers of this language may speak up now.

    ***

    @Murthy, Oh yes, only a self “less” Kannadiga can say what
    Kumble just said. What roots are you talking about here man? That
    your mother derived her language from a Sanskrit speaking mother?
    Or is it about your mother’s mother? Or her mother? With due
    respect, where do you find your lineage “hopping” wagons? For
    heaven’s sake, why dont we Kannadigas wake up to this simple fact –
    we are not (illegitimate) children of Sanskrit speaking mothers. We
    have our own legitimate Kannadati mothers, mind you!

  14. Rajanna Says:

    a..a…a….A! Nidre barta ide. enu arta agta
    illa.

  15. Angry Young Man Says:

    A few days ago, this Churumuri headline was something along the lines of “What do you call spin bowling in Sanskrit?”. I was surprised yesterday to see that changed to this new mischievous title.

    Churumuri, you have been afflicted with psuedo-secularitis, the disease of the self-appointed “liberal intellectuals” of this country, to give a political or communal twist to anything associated with Hindu culture.

    Instead of encouraging a discussion on the Sanskrit language, your headline has turned this post into a political argument.

    Do you morons really think that a gentleman like Anil Kumble would imply anything like your stupid headline? You sickos, get a life and try to do something constructive.

    I can’t believe there are so many idiotic lowlife vermin among the journalists of this country.

    The unworthy idiot who changed the original title should be made to leave Churumuri forever.

  16. Kelu Janamejaya Says:

    If the intolerant people here are branding the samskrita mela as a jaatre of brahmins, it is not the mistake of brahmins. It is the ignorance coupled with lack of knowledge of non brahmins which is keeping them away from this mela. Neither Samskrita Bharati nor the department which sponsoring this event have barred non brahmins from participating in this jaatre.

  17. Ravisha Says:

    Kumble has made a joker of himself. The guy should’nt have made such a statement making the other languages look second rate.

  18. Sanjeeva Says:

    Too much is being made out of what Kumble has said. There is nothing objectionable in what he has said. It is a fact.

  19. samskrita bhandu Says:

    What a wonderful event, that nourishes the root language
    that enriches all regional languages. Only good things can come out
    of the unity that samskrit brings to all indians.

  20. drisya Says:

    Was there at the event on Saturday. It is just mindboggling to say the least. A few noteworthy points (from unofficial sources and from my own experience)

    * Thousands of youngsters (including IITians, IISCians, medical students and even school children) conversing in fluent Sanskrit

    * Apparently on Friday itself there were 8000 registered participants (who get to stay for all 4 days including food/acco for some 200 or 100 rupees !!!) and 50,000 general attendees.

    * I was there on Saturday, and the crowd and enthusiasm was just unbelievable.. There are some 150 book stalls and even then, its always so crowded. By the time of the final event by SPB, not just the main venue (which itself can seat thousands) but even the big ground was full of people.. and you end up hearing (and actually understanding) so much Sanskrit

  21. Nija Says:

    @Sanjeeva,
    Yes baby! you woke up after a bad dream. Sssh… go back to sleep now.
    Kumble said a simple sentence out of which nothing else can made of. He said Sanskrit was the mother of all “our” languages, and that, by the way, is the mother of all lies ever told in this country.

    Its the same shit that Samskrita Bharati folks shout aloud on the streets of Bengaluru, begging people to adopt Sanskrit, a long forgotten language, however rich it might be. With due respect to the Sanskrit language, and all the richness that lay encoded in it, it is sad that I have to say those people shouting Sanskrit adoption slogans are betraying their own mothers, their mother tongues, and their mother lands.

    I dont want to get into the Brahmin non-Brahmin crap here, but we’re talking about a white lie here. I agree Sanskrit has many riches that could help mankind, but dont try to advertise them by saying the riches in other languages are Sanskrit’s too, or that they were inherited or stolen from Sanskrit!

    In Kannada there is a adage that goes: “ವೇದ ಸುಳ್ಳಾದರೂ ಗಾದೆ ಸುಳ್ಳಾಗದು -> Even if the Vedas are untrue, the Proverbs are never untrue.” That is because your proverbs dont make the occasional mistakes that Vedas do, because the proverbs (in our own language) were what our mothers told us, and Vedas, while clean themselves, are what the political fathers have been echoing into us in sedated dreams.

  22. deva Says:

    It was a wonderful experience going to the Samskrit book fair. I’d suggest all of you people who are making these comments here to go attend the mela first and then make the talking. No one is condemning any language, a lot is being made of Kumble’s statement. And what is wrong if govt of karnataka sponsor this event? This sponsoring will not hurt kannada in any way, will it? It’s not fair to just say something which is not true. I will suggest everyone to go attend this event, there is still time. It’s a great opportunity and it will be a great experience.

  23. Mani Says:

    Great news churmuri! But changing title is bad journalism. More coverage please of such great unique event. My best wishes for the organisers and media.

  24. twistleton Says:

    What! It is Churumuri’s job to provoke a discussion, hai na.

    Sankrit is a classical language by nature -like Latin and Classical Greek – as such out of our touch -hey that rhymes!

    As Nija says Sanskrit has never been a mass language -it is not constructed for mass usage- it lends itself to poetry admirably, however.

    But how many good careers are available for aspiring linguists, in Sanskrit or otherwise? Not many, and at any rate, not lucrative…

  25. Nija Says:

    @deva – quoting your own words – “its not fair to just say something which is not true” – exactly what many here have been arguing against the white lies about our languages being the progeny of Sanskrit.

    Go ask your friends in Samskruta Bharati for any meaningful proof at all for Sanskrit to be this “mother” of all languages of the world, and you’ll realize who’s being untrue here.

    Besides, talking about this ‘mela’ and hurt it can cause Kannada – there is a lot. The Vishwa Kannada Sammelana that was supposed to be held in Belgaavi is starving for funds just enough to even conduct a mundane event. Now what the f* is our Kannada & Culture department doing here sponsoring a World Sanskrit Book fair, subsidizing its attendants with Rs 100/- gala nights, when there is a more important (to the Karnataka govt.) ‘sammelana’ waiting to start.. waiting since years actually. What else can one expect from a spineless government which things our Culture contains more of Sanskrit and less of Kannada.

    Go read up the news guys. And then you wont be asking such questions.

    True, no one condemned languages here. The people who’ve condemned our languages (and did a nasty comparison) are sitting out there in the Sanskrit conference selling away the maana of all our mothers.

  26. Nija Says:

    One question for everyone watching this page – does Sanskrit need to be your mother tongue to harvest its richness of whatever kind/form? If not, why in God’s name is this event being misled to be a mother-tongue “conversion” exercise? English is the medium of earning a livelihood for millions across the world today. Have they all proclaimed English to be their mother tongues overnight??

    Why do the organizers of this event (and some of its blundering sponsors) seem to be beating their chests with feeling of success & achievement when a 8-yr old from Delhi comes up to stage and says his mother tongue is Sanskrit. Of course the kid’s mother’s karalu would be twitching somewhere or perhaps she was snubbed, tied and intoxicated to silence her protests in true movie style?!

    Isnt it pretty obvious that a language as rich as Sanskrit needs (1) a govt. subsidized 4-gala night event, (2) a couple of “involved” media partners, (3) a whole army of cheddi clad hypnotized youngsters, and (4) a budding society of blind believers to make itself heard among us? If Sanskrit were indeed our mother tongue’s mother, would it need this grand a welcome back extravagaza?

    If anything, Samskruta Bharati must just focus on circulating the richness that lay encoded in Sanskrit and ensure people of various languages bring that our equally well in their respective languages and pass them on to their progeny if they wish.

  27. dinesh Says:

    Only in Karnataka, he can say this. Because Kannadigas will take it lightly. try to speak like this in Hosur TN, reactions would HAVE BEEN be different.

  28. Sanjeeva Says:

    Nija-avare, Time and again, it has been proved that Samskrit is the origin of all Indian languages. Otherwise, how come except Tamil (that too only to some extent) all the Indian languages contain thousand of Sanskrit derived words? Even the Tamil contained Sanskrit derived words till the Dravidian parties started replacing them with a fanatic zeal. Even then, Tamil still has hundreds of Samskrit based words. Heavy mixture of Persian, Arabic and Urdu words could not change Hindi, which is directly derived from Samskrit including original Devanagari script. I don’t think anybody is begging for adoption of Samskrit. It is a wrong notion. It may have been forgotten in India. But it is kept alive in other few countries. Instead of damning a rich and “complete” language – Samskrit, “Kannadave satya, Kannadave Nitya vagalu nimma kaanike needi.

  29. Deepak Says:

    I dont know why there is so much opposition towards this sammeLan:(

    Sanskrit is not at all a brahminical language. Brahmins have not patented Sanksrit. Its their personal interest about sanskirt for which they r critiszed to the core:(
    Moreover sanskrit is spoken by very few ppl in earth. I really appreciate kannadigas who always encouraged Sanskrit in south india very much.

    When i was in Banglore i could see many non brahmins(Sply Gowdas who are staunch Kannadigas) used to take Sanskrit as one of the language to study. May be to score more in the exams but atlast they had some interest in the language, which needs to be appreciated.

    I belong to the state TN where everything is Tamil for which we are unreasonably proud of :(. If you try to learn Sanskrit in TN, you are branded as Anti-Tamil and you will be treated as a second grade citizen and ofcourse if u r learning Sanskrit in TN then u should be a brahmin.

  30. Nija Says:

    @Sanjeeva,
    If all Indian languages contain thousands of Sanskrit derived words that doesnt make Sanskrit their mother. English has words derived from multiple European languages (also of the bygone era), but do people claim those languages to be the origin of English?

    And anyway, talking of words in Kannada that come from Sanskrit – most of them are thanks to people like Samskrita Bharati volunteers and a combined lobby (political + media) that has made those words appear natural to Kannada.

    Go home & call your mother maate rather than amma (assuming you’re a Kannadiga or Tamilian) and she’d think you’re enacting some drama. Go tell her “bhojanam pariveshayatu” instead of “oota badisu” and you’ll mostly get a stare, not dinner. Try counting numbers in Sanskrit in front of your kid and your kid might run away because they are totally different from the kid’s mother tongue. The list can go on, but anyone would say this much is sufficient to know the truth.

    By asking “Kaanike needi” you’ve added yourself to the brigade of beggars for Sanskrit adoption. It is sad, you dont see it creeping in you already!?

    Dont even talk about Hindi, Arabic, Urdu and the likes yet. Especially after coming out of a Samskrita Bharati library!! That place is a reverse engineered mockery of linguistics & world history.

  31. Nija Says:

    @twistleton,
    I did not say “Sanskrit was never a mass language” – instead what I said was “Sanskrit is not a mass language today” and that, that cannot prove that we all spoke Sanskrit in those days in history.

  32. twistleton Says:

    Nija you may not have said that, but i certainly do,
    sanskrit was never a mass language- how could it have been when
    only Brahmins and kings were given an “education”. This limited
    sphere may be extended to the scholars of each age – patronized by
    royalty. Sanjeeva, Devanagri script is a later creation. Sanskrit
    was originally written in Prakrit. Persian is as old as Sanskrit if
    not older. And while Tamil may have been influenced by Sankrit due
    to the intermingling of cultures, but it certainly was not derived
    from Sanskrit! Why the overwhelming need to prove Sankrit to be the
    mother of all languages?? Isn’t it a matter of pride that we have a
    variety of independent tongues?

  33. Justfine Says:

    State government committed to promoting Sanskrit and the
    central government committed to promoting Hindi. What’s Kannadiga’s
    future? Hindi or Sanskrit? I think Hindi at home and business and
    Sanskrit in movies.

  34. Anonymous Guy Says:

    Twistleton, Sanjeeva,

    Good discussion.

    Nija, thought provoking comments!

  35. Ravisha Says:

    Brahmins try to show their superiority by projecting Sanskrit as mother of all languages. By this they try to assert their superiority.

    I wish this caste system really goes. It is really pathetic at this juncture, where equality is the motto.

  36. Murthy Says:

    @Nija
    got me completely wrong. what i meant is a refined language can never be the root since adam and eve and english alphabets cannot be created in one day.

    that means sanskrit is a subset of old kannada continuously evolving from places like shringeri, shivamogga and udupi. never seen better fluency than these parts.
    moreover ayyangar and aiyer ( derived from aiya ) , adiga , appa etc are all kannada surnames . they never wanted to be called by a smaller creation.

    ***

    For me samskritha is a refined version of kannada for grammar and science .
    tatsama, tadbhava , sandhi samaasa are not found in every language like in kannada. hence it should not be politically thrown out.
    just like karnataka shastreeya sangeetha we have not patented it and left as a free and open source education for all and their lies the beauty being Kannadiga.

  37. Theertha Says:

    Lets not draw any conclusions and one important question.
    How much of India’s past history and culture will remain if you remove sanskrit. I am not talking just about so called Brahmin culture. Even buddist, Jaina and other systems of indian thought. All later buddist and jaina scriptures are in panninian sanskrit.

  38. Avinash Says:

    Sorry for changing a kannada proverb

    Brahmanara jaathreyalli samskrutha mathaDone jaaNa..

  39. Johnny Brown Says:

    I cannot believe all the comments I am reading. Sanskrit IS the mother of all Indian and European languages, there is no doubt about it. In Karnataka, emperors have always patronized Sanskrit and Kannada literature. All the Indian languages owe their existence to Sanskrit and therefore, rejecting and condeming Sanskrit is just as reprehensible as matricide!

  40. CK Says:

    “All the Indian languages owe their existence to Sanskrit and therefore, rejecting and condeming Sanskrit is just as reprehensible as matricide!”

    Swami Vivekananda very clearly stated:

    “A gentle yet clear brushing off of the cobwebs of the so-called Aryan theory and all its vicious corollaries is therefore absolutely necessary, especially for the South, and a proper self-respect created by a knowledge of the past grandeur of one of the great ancestors of the Aryan race — the great Tamilians.

    This Aryan race, itself a mixture of two great races, Sanskrit-speaking and Tamil-speaking, applies to all Hindus alike.

    “yet we are glad that he has undertaken the task of beginning a proper investigation into the culture of the great mother of Indian civilisation(Tamil) — if the Sanskrit-speaking race was the father.”

    Now tell me Johnny Brown, who is committing matricide ?

    Tamil and allied culture (kannada) is the mother of the Indian Civilization and Sanskrit is the Father.

    Due respect needs to be given to all the people who made India this beautiful country. Tamil, Kannada and the North Eastern languages have played as much a part in making this great civilization as has Sanskrit.

    India is not just Sanskrit and Hindi and North India.

    Swami Vivekananda specifically beseeched South Indian Brahmins to respect the dravidian tongues failing which unthinkable consequences would follow.

  41. CK Says:

    How much of India’s past history and culture will remain if you remove sanskrit. I am not talking just about so called Brahmin culture. Even buddist, Jaina and other systems of indian thought. All later buddist and jaina scriptures are in panninian sanskrit.

    Quite a lot. You are obviously unfamiliar with tamil and kannada literature.

    Your unfamiliarity does not mean great literature (including spiritual) does not exist.

  42. CK Says:

    “Even the Tamil contained Sanskrit derived words till the Dravidian parties started replacing them with a fanatic zeal.”

    This happened because people like Anil Kumble were demeaning Tamil and looking down upon it, so there had to be a movement to counter it. Plus Tamil can stand on its own, without the need for Sanskrit words. Plus replacement was also done to prove that Sanskrit is not the mother of Tamil.

    Kannadigas being slow on the uptake, are doing now what tam-brams did 50 years back and we also see the countering of it by kannadiga non-brahmins, or whatever.

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