Sauce for Naxal goose ain’t sauce for RSS gander?

As the confessions of “Swami” Aseemanand, outed by Ashesh Khetan of Tehelka magazine, stick the terror label firmly on the tilak-stained foreheads of the Hindu lunatic fringe, calls to ban the “cultural organisation”, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), have gathered steam even as the BJP beats around the bush.

In the Bombay newspaper, DNA, Parsa Venkateshwar Rao Jr posits the defence for RSS against the defence for  Binayak Sen, the doctor sentenced to life in prison for hobnobbing with Naxals. In other words, how does a society that wants to give the benefit of the doubt to those who kill stop short when it comes to one who saves?

“Even as it is inaccurate and untrue, if not unfair, to call Binayak Sen a Maoist rebel who wants to overthrow the Indian state through violence, it is also inaccurate and untrue to call the RSS a terrorist organisation. For the people who defend Sen against the calumny heaped on him by the state and the right-wingers, it becomes morally obligatory to defend the RSS as a right-wing, retrogressive but not a terrorist organisation.

“Similarly, those who defend the RSS also have to speak by the same token of principled stand to defend Sen as a leftist who is not a terrorist. But the ideological divisions we see all round with regard to Sen and RSS are stark, and facts be damned.

“The fact that the RSS is a right-wing extremist but not a terrorist organisation does not mean that there are no Hindu terrorists, as there are Muslim terrorists. Muslims organisations like Jamaat-e-Hind or Jamiat-Ulema-e-Hind can be dubbed right-wing but not extremist. In the case of the Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), the investigation agencies failed to establish beyond doubt the linkages between individuals who committed acts of terror and those who expressed belief in terror acts even though they may not have been personally involved.”

Read the full article: RSS is retrogressive but not a terror outfit

Cartoon: courtesy E.P. Unny/ The Indian Express

Also read: CHURUMURI POLL: Should the RSS be banned?

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26 Responses to “Sauce for Naxal goose ain’t sauce for RSS gander?”

  1. Complex Says:

    I don’t trust Tehelka.
    But nevertheless, RSS should be ashamed of it’s behavior, and if any organizational link can be established by law, it should be banned.

  2. twistleton Says:

    Aseemanand.

    No wonder he is angry. People he wants his name changed, he’s not a terrorist…

    Aseemanand; doesn’t have the same ring to it as an Osama Bin Laden, does it?

    ***

    Compare this to the eminently erudite-sounding ‘Binayak Sen’. I mean come on, AseemA has enough to deal with with such a frightful name, so the moralists thought they’ll give him a break…

  3. mounaprasad Says:

    Today’s report says that it was not Aseemanand who was the mastermmind but Sunil Joshi. So the NIA is pulling theories thick and fast from the rear end of its anatomy. This NIA is another avatar of the CBI (Congress Bureau of Investigation)….very incompetent and highly suspect of its motives.

  4. LP Says:

    the chaddis are good at shouting down any accusations that point towards them. The Congies are no different.

    No wonder both the chaddis and congies are two sides of the same coin. Both corrupt to the core.

  5. T Azeez Luthfullah Says:

    Why is Churumuri silent on the confessions of dreaded Swami Aseemanandji?

  6. Simple Says:

    Why is BJP supporting and defending people who are involved in terror strikes? Can one expect anything better from this party?

    It blasted Karkare – the hero of my country. It ran him down as if he was an anti national. Here is a man who bravely faced bullets for my country and BJP did everything to denigrate him.

    While Congress members took on the terrorists from – Operation Blue Star to sending army to Sri Lanka to take on the terrorists to even killing all pakistan terrorists in the 26/11 terror attack, the instances are too many.

    BJP record is pathetic, they allowed parliament to be attacked and let loose the kandahar terrorists.

  7. Kelu Janamejaya Says:

    Simple ji….

    When there is no consensus in the govt circles today as to who did what, how can you expect someone to take a stance just because some dumb ass came out with some story about this revelation????

    I know you cannot understand this as easily as you understand the beautiful explanation given out by Kapil Sibal, so here is a bit of explanation for you.

    Day before yesterday NIA came out with the idea that Aseemanand was behind Samjautha blasts. One day later they come out with another theory that Sunil Joshi was the mastermind… duh???

    Sadhvi Pragya and the rest of the gang are behind bars since the last two years. To the extent of my knowledge, we have not come across any hindu groups organising any kind of strike/dharna etc demanding their release. Sadhvi was even subjected to narco tests. Still nothing came out of it. Even today, the investigative agencies are running in circles to pin point who did what and where and when..

    Given this scenario, how or why should anyone trust the Congress Bureau of Investigation or for that matter the NIA???

    On the contrary, now this sounds like music to your ears, we have Afzal Guru who has been sentenced to death by the SC. Why is congress pussyfooting the issue of hanging him??? The Home came out with a stupid explanation that there are X men in queue waiting to be hanged.

    Kasab is whiling away his time in jail eating kababs and biriyanis, couresy the government.

    Simple Sir.. can you draw a comparison between a terrorist and a fella who has probably raped and killed??? Hanging Afzal Guru is same as hanging any venka naani seena???

    Also look at the reason given for Aseemananda’s confession. He was kept in the same cell/jail where another muslim by name Kaleem was also lodged. Now this Kaleem fellow was the one who was picked up by police for the mecca masjid blast. He was later acquitted on this charge but was again arrested on some other charge and was conveniently lodged in the same jail/cell where Aseemanand was kept. And he served Aseemanand dutifully knowing fully well that this is the chap who was responsible for his arrest in the first place. And this act of kindness moved Aseemanand to such an extent that his heart changed and he came clean of all his wrong doings.

    You can look at this “story” in two ways.

    One, Aseemanand is really not as bad as he is thought to be. Just one simple act of kindness was enough for him to repent for his sins. Also since he had said that he did his acts in retaliation for the various bomb blasts carried out by jihadis in different temples of India, he would not have committed his act had those bombings not taken place in the first instance.

    Two, this is a story fit for a third rate sandalwood/bollywood/kollywood/tollywood movie makers to produce a superb tear jerker!!!

    Either case, unless the investigative agencies are able to corroborate this story with hard facts, it will not stand in the court of law.

  8. mounaprasad Says:

    Simple as the name suggest comes across as a naive and gullible KKaangress supporter, who keeps on trying to defend the indefensible

  9. Simple Says:

    Mounaprasad

    You come across as an unthinking human species who continues to blindly support the cheddi parivar. I bet you would vote for that party, even if a donkey was given ticket in your constituency.

    Kelu

    1. The Dumb ass who came out with a revelation, is an RSS guy. The parent organization of your BJP.

    That is the problem with you, When facts and confessions pin you down, you try to wriggle out with your foolish outbursts.

    2. Rajeev Gandhi’s killer is still in queue ahead of Afzal. The man who killed my country’s PM, was never hung by NDA. Why did NDA not act in a tearing hurry? Is it not an insult to my nation ?

    You have no defense. Nothing. As usual I argue with facts, you argue with a fuzzy mind.

  10. Kelu Janamejaya Says:

    Sri Simple Sir,

    Whoa….. am I dreaming!!!!

    Was it not Saint Sonia who said she had pardoned her husband’s killers???? And was it not Nun’s daughter who went all the way to Nellore (?) jail to express sympathy for her father’s killers???? When the immediate family asks for pardoning these individuals, what else can anyone do???

    Moreover, there is an inherent injustice in this whole drama. Please note that it was not Rajeev Gandi alone who got killed in that bomb blast. Many other innocent civilians too got killed. How the F can Sonia take a decision on their part too without consulting them? For her, getting pardon for her husband’s killers might get political mileage. Not for the childlren of those common civilians who parents got killed at the same time. Has anyone asked them how they want to treat these killers????

    The dumb ass wa not Aseemanand. He is “claimed” to have given this confession. The confession was then leaked by some other person, on whose orders we can all guess. That person is the dumb ass.

    Now look at the sequence of events.

    Day one, Aseemanand is claimed to be the master mind in Samjautha blasts.

    Day two, the onus shifts on a dead man Sunil Joshi who cannot contradict this statement.

    Do you require anything more glaringly stupid than this??

    ***

    Simple Sirraa… illi kelri yappa…

    October 2008, Safdar Nagori told NIA that the Samjautha blast was the handiwork of SIMI activists who committed this act with the help of Pakistani nationals.

    More than two years later, NIA has made Aseemanand to confess that this blast was his work.

    Diggy Raja said RSS is a terrorist organsiation.

    Clown prince said hindu terrorists are more dangerous to India than muslim terrorists.

    Now we have NIA which is bending backwards to “re-create” a jigsaw puzzle to accomodate the lunatic and the clown prince.

    Whattay team Sir ji??? Clown prince and his lunatic teacher and an investigative agency who are dancing to their tunes!!!!

    One more thing you know Sir???

    Justice N Satosh Hegde, former judge of the Supreme Court of India, explains that a lot would depend on the judge presiding over the case. Though it appears that Aseemanand’s confession holds more weightage, it may be an uphill task for the NIA if he retracts his statement saying that he had done so under duress. Nagori’s claims, though cannot be completely overlooked, hold less weightage since they were made before the police. Moreover, the narco-analysis test does not hold much value as the Supreme Court earlier this year declared its use as illegal if it has been conducted without the consent of the suspect.

    Now here is a classic case where we have one crime and two claimants who are taking credit for this crime.

    What a wonderful thought if our NIA is made the official crime busters for the world as a whole??? For every crime we will have two two culprits.

    Sone pe suhaaga types!!!!

  11. mounaprasad Says:

    Again Simple Anna,

    How did you conclude that I am a BJP supporter…there is no evidence to show that..on the other hand we here on Churmuri are every day witnessing the site littered with your gems of indefensible and amusing arguments supporting KKaangress…you are sure to get a padma bhushan this year a la Turdesai Rajdeep for your unstinted support to KKangress.

    ***

    Simple Anna,

    Here is an inside information…I stopped voting long back..for I am disillusioned with all the parties including but not limited to BJP/NDA..so I have the moral right to criticize any or all of them..while you on the other hand keep voting and have to suck it in and bear it with a smile and defend it with indefensible beautiful arguments like Kapil Sibal ;)

  12. Kelu Janamejaya Says:

    Simple Sirraa… illi kelri yappa…

    October 2008, Safdar Nagori told NIA that the Samjautha blast was the handiwork of SIMI activists who committed this act with the help of Pakistani nationals.

    More than two years later, NIA has made Aseemanand to confess that this blast was his work.

    Diggy Raja said RSS is a terrorist organsiation.

    Clown prince said hindu terrorists are more dangerous to India than muslim terrorists.

    Now we have NIA which is bending backwards to “re-create” a jigsaw puzzle to accomodate the lunatic and the clown prince.

    Whattay team Sir ji??? Clown prince and his lunatic teacher and an investigative agency who are dancing to their tunes!!!!

    One more thing you know Sir???

    Justice N Satosh Hegde, former judge of the Supreme Court of India, explains that a lot would depend on the judge presiding over the case. Though it appears that Aseemanand’s confession holds more weightage, it may be an uphill task for the NIA if he retracts his statement saying that he had done so under duress. Nagori’s claims, though cannot be completely overlooked, hold less weightage since they were made before the police. Moreover, the narco-analysis test does not hold much value as the Supreme Court earlier this year declared its use as illegal if it has been conducted without the consent of the suspect.

    Now here is a classic case where we have one crime and two claimants who are taking credit for this crime.

    What a wonderful thought if our NIA is made the official crime busters for the world as a whole??? For every crime we will have two two culprits.

    Sone pe suhaaga types!!!!

  13. verybleedingheart Says:

    Kelu Janamejaya Says: “Please note that it was not Rajeev Gandi alone who got killed in that bomb blast. Many other innocent civilians too got killed.”

    That is hitting the bull’s eye, right on target, where it should hurt most. It was not just “Rajeev Gandhi Assasination” case as it is often written and spoken in the media and by the Congress wallahs. Several innocent bystanders got killed for no fault of theirs. In Bharath, ordinary folks die, but it is a “supreme sacrifice” if it involves a Nehru-Gandhi.

  14. Simple Says:

    We got it straight from the horse’s mohth

    Nitin Gadkari has gone on record to say that what BSY did was not illegal, but immoral.

    He has accepted that BJP is a party which supports immoral activities.

    ANd people like kelu and mouna openly support immoral parties.

    That.

    That is the difference between an immoral BJP and the congress.

    Look at what is breaking out in MP. …land worth 80 crore rupees have been given away for one rupee to a trust – by the BJP CM of Madhya pradesh.

    The trustees including LK Advani, among other top leaders.

    yet another case of blatant immoral activity by your party.

    And LK Advani, is back to his favourite minority appeasement. Two days back he re-emphasised that Jinnah was a secular man.

    Clearly, his target is the minority vote bank.

  15. Simple Says:

    What Sonia Gandhi is doing is neither illegal nor immoral. Nalini can be freed constitutionally. She can be let off after serving 14 years.

    But what did NDA do?

    It did not bother to pursue the case against the murders of Rajeev Gandhi. And this is not Nailini i am talking about.

  16. mounaprasad Says:

    Simple Anna,

    For the last time I am telling you that I do not support any party including BJP or its allies….hope this goes into your thick skull ;)

    >>It did not bother to pursue the case against the murders of Rajeev Gandhi. And this is not Nailini i am talking about.>>

    For the simple reason that it was a family matter of Gandhi’s and an inside job..for more information read Dr.Subramanya Swamy’s take on Rajiv’s killing and who could be behind it.

    >>ANd people like kelu and mouna openly support immoral parties.>>

    Simple Anna,

    In one of my earlier posts I had challenged you if you are OK to investigate all the wrong doings of all politicians irrespective of party affiliation starting from 1947 and deport the guilty to the Andaman Jail.. I am still waiting to hear on that from you….and I also know you will not accept that challenge…because you know which party will contribute the most to list of jail inmates ;)

  17. Simple Says:

    Mounaprasad

    you are skilled at spreading rumuors. One person’s perspective is taken as truth. Dr. Subramanya Swamy is more credible than the Supreme Court is it?

    The Supreme Court of India has given death penalty to Rajeev Gandhi’s killers. Yet, NDA Govt. Did nothing to hang this assasin. And, now people like you only crib about Afzal Guru.

    Show me a single posting of yours where you have blasted BJP for all its 100 acts of corruption, nepotism, maladministration, communalism and other negatives. I can show you a 100 instance where you have hauled up Cong for its alleged misdeeds.

    Clearly, shows that you are barking up the wrong tree.
    So Stop abusing me, instead concentrate on issues.

    I repeat nth time, if Cong is guilty of any wrong doing, let those people be brought to book. But I have never heard you saying anything similar about BJP. Shows that you are a card carrying member of the BJP. only such people can endlessly criticize congress and don’t utter asingle word against BJP

    Gadkari has openly said that his part is immoral. So that ends the topic.

  18. Kelu Janamejaya Says:

    Sri Simple Sir,

    You said: The Supreme Court of India has given death penalty to Rajeev Gandhi’s killers. Yet, NDA Govt. Did nothing to hang this assasin. And, now people like you only crib about Afzal Guru.

    Sir, BJP stauncly opposed commuting death sentence given to Nalini. Infact, according to a Frontline article, there were only two parties which opposed this kind of pardoning. Tamilaga Rajeev Congress headed by V Ramamurthy ( and if my memory serves me right, the party to which PC was a member before he came back home to CONgress) and BJP.

    But Nun, with all the kindness overflowing from her bleeding heart, decided to pardon Nalini. The reason quoted was that Nalini had a daughter who cannot be orphaned. And DMK requested Fatheema Biwi, the then Governor of TN to sanction the commutation of death sentence to life imprisonment. And the Governor did so for all the prisoners.

    Mahatma Gandhi’s killers were hanged. So were Indira’s killers. But not Rajiv’s. Because his own wife did not want to see them killed.

    And yet you say NDA did not hang these prisoners!!!

    There is a limit to lying too Sir.

  19. mounaprasad Says:

    Simple Anna,

    Please read my comments carefully, here is what it says…

    >>In one of my earlier posts I had challenged you if you are OK to investigate all the wrong doings of all politicians irrespective of party affiliation starting from 1947 and deport the guilty to the Andaman Jail.. >>

    Which means all the parties including BJP…you need to brush up on your english comprehension skills and then make allegations against me for not criticizing BJP/NDA. Are you up to the challenge now? I guess not. Let the ranting continue….

    ***

    >>Tamilaga Rajeev Congress headed by V Ramamurthy ( and if my memory serves me right, the party to which PC was a member before he came back home to CONgress) and BJP.>>

    Kelu,

    PC along with Moopanar formed TMC (Tamil Maanila Congress) after he fell out with Rajiv. After Moopanar’s death, he patched up with the Numero Uno family and rejoined congress.

    ***

    >>Dr. Subramanya Swamy is more credible than the Supreme Court is it?>>

    If you think Ambulance chaser Kapil Sibal is credible why not Dr.Swamy. With the current crop of corrupt SC judges how credible is the supreme court anyway?

  20. Simple Says:

    Kelu,

    As usual, (yaaaawn) You are ignorant of the facts.

    Afzal Guru’s mercy plea stands 28th in the chronological list. The person awarded death sentence in Rajiv Gandhi assassination case, one MR. Murugan comes at No. 9.

    ANd NO.I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT NALINI. The law was allowed to take its course – everything was done legally. You don’t have even a fig leaf of excuse to buttress your specious spiel.

    BJP did nothing to execute Murugan, the person convicted of Rajeev’s assasination during its six year tenure. Why?
    BJP did nothing to hang the other 20 odd people on death row. WHy?

    Clearly, this is laughable double standard by this party. You are a either a white liar or a pathological hypocrite.

    Mounaprasad

    It clearly shows that either you are a member of the Sangh Parivar or you are a closetted BJP member. Look at the difference.

    1. You make sweeping generalisations that let all parties be punished.
    2. But you pinpoint each of Congress’s alleged faults.

    If you are questioning the Supreme Court of India’s judgement, I am afraid that you are guilty of contempt of court, you are taking the country into complete anarchy with your cowardly statements on the net, hiding beneath the skirts of the internet.

    Murugan was pronounced as guilty by the Supreme Court. yet, BJP did nothign to hang him during its six year tenure.

  21. Kelu Janamejaya Says:

    So Sri Simple Sir,

    Let me understand this correctly.

    You are saying, out of all the people convicted & sentenced to death in Rajiv’s killing, only Nalini needs to be pardoned.

    Why?

    Because NUN pardoned her. And why did the NUN pardon her? Because she had a daughter.

    Correct???

    So, if Nalini can be pardoned because she had a daughter, why should the same courtesy not be extended to Murugan? Nalini’s daughter’s father? Isn’t father important in a child’s life??

    And if Nalini is sentenced to death with several others and if, only she is pardoned, will it not be grave injustice to the others??

    And you know what is the funniest part in this whole thing is?? Of all the convicts, it was only Nalini who was directly linked to the killing. The others were booked for abetting the crime.

    How will it be if you let the main culprit go scot free and book the rest of the motley crowd because one supplied vehicle, the other supplied batteries and yet another arranged for the stay & arranged for the lunch/dinner of the main culprit etc????

    So even while pardoning someone, one must use brains.. which alas was hibernating( not that it was ever awake) at the time this drama was enacted.

    On another note:

    My repeated replies to Simple might seem to some as sparring game. But pardon me, if these are the kind of imbecile writings and utter lies that are posted, they need to be rebutted firmly. We have suffered enough of such lies & half truths drilled into the collective mindset of the society by the self serving CONgies, secularists and leftists for a very long time without reacting.

  22. mounaprasad Says:

    >>If you are questioning the Supreme Court of India’s judgement, I am afraid that you are guilty of contempt of court, you are taking the country into complete anarchy with your cowardly statements on the net, hiding beneath the skirts of the internet.>>

    What is so sacrosanct about SC. IT IS FILLED WITH CROOKS AND CHARLATANS. Thanks to Kkaangress to screwing up all the institutions in this country. I do not believe there should not be any oversight on the judiciary as long as it is filled with crooks like Justice Balakrishnan and Justice Dinakaran and ably supported by morons like law minister Veerappa Moily.

    Anyway there is nothing for anybody to do to bring about anarchy, Kaangress at the helm of affairs has been doing this for the last 65 years. If anything this party needs to be quarantined and banished from indian polity so that the country can be saved at least now.

  23. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Kelu,

    Please carry on with your good work. You are ripping apart “Sonia and Rahul” hagiographer Simpleton’s inane arguments, white lies, half-truths, and imbecile posturing.

  24. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Gift-of-Silence,

    Very well spoken! Simpleton gets shafted again.

  25. Goldstar Says:

    @Doddi Buddi,

    “Hagiographer Simpleton” ….. well said ;-) !!

  26. Simple Says:

    Kelu,

    There you go again lying through your teeth. Whatever has been done by Sonia is legally, morally and constitutionally valid. There is no bar for commuting death sentence to life imprisonment.

    As far as who is more guilty, Nalini or Murugan, the supreme court has spoken, so there ends the matter. Supreme Court is as good as God, if you believe in my country. My India.

    I see that you are obfuscating the real issue.

    1. your party has a blood lust to hang people. WHY DID IT NOT HANG MURUGAN? ANswer it/ WHY DID IT NOT HANG SEVERAL PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW?

    As usual you have no defence, because Gadkari has openly stated that his party is immoral.

    2. WHY DO YOU SUPPORT A PARTY WHICH HAS OPENLY BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED AS IMMORAL? IS THAT YOUR STANDARD?

    Mounaprasad

    You have proven you are no better than Maoists and terrorists, who don’t give a damn for the supreme court or the constitution.
    People like and your pedestrian cheerleaders on this blog you are dangerous loose-mouths who are working against my country.

    Either accept the law of the land or have the guts to challenge the supreme court’s decision or flee to some other country.

    But no. Habitual cowards like you continue to slam every constitutional institution in my beloved nation.

    Nobody takes your comments seriously because it is deranged and completely lopsided. You have never praised Congress for its many achievements that my country’s beloved people have benefitted from.

    You have never pinpointed even one of BJP’s countless acts of corruption, nepotism and communalism.

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