VHP & Bajrang Dal aren’t part of Sangh Parivar?

In the non-stop disgrace that Karnataka politics has been under the BJP, the disgrace of September 2008 when the State was held hostage by Hindutva Hitmen is now history, buried under the antics of the pygmies populating the State’s political landscape.

In 2008, in a part of the world where “jasmine flower grown on a Christian’s farm [used to be] bought by a Muslim trader and sold to Hindu women”, a brazen experiment to tamper with the State’s syncretic fabric was executed with clinical precision through attacks on churches, convents and prayer halls in seven districts.

The attacks came just four months after the BJP had come to power, the modern-day Neros in the gateway to the south blithely looking the other way.

As promptly as night follows day, a judicial commission was appointed by the B.S. Yediyurappa government, and as promptly as day follows night, the Justice Somasekhara panel has exonerated the sangh parivar and the State government, which is why the heat is building up for a CBI probe into the attacks.

Arvind Narrain of the alternative law forum, and B.N. Jagadeesha, an advocate, provide a critique of the Commission’s report, reprinted in full from the website Kafila.

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By ARVIND NARRAIN and B.N. JAGADEESHA

When the Justice Somasekhara Commission was constituted to inquire into  the church attacks in Karnataka in September 2008, it was seen as a move to ward of criticism of the  BJP administration.

Today, well over two years after the attacks,  when the key findings of the report have been made public by Justice Somasekhara himself, the findings prepare the ground for further action against the victims of the church attacks, while absolving the masterminds behind the crime of  all blame.

Naomi Klein in her book Shock Doctrine analyses how the period of shock which a community experiences with the  imposition of a military dictatorship is what is used to push through  far-reaching changes such as  radical free market policies.

Similarly, post the shock of the church attacks, the Christian community was  hopeful of justice through the Commission but instead the proceedings and the findings of the Commission really prepare the way for continued  harassment of  the Christian community under the garb of law.

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Persons and organizations responsible for the above incidents: On the fundamental question of who  was behind the attacks, the Commission finds that, ‘there is no basis to the apprehension of Christian petitioners that the politicians, BJP, mainstream Sangh Parivar and State government, directly or indirectly, are involved in the attacks.’

However, later on, the report observes: ‘The plea of many Christian memorialists for taking action as per law against Mahendra Kumar, the then convenor of Bajrang Dal, who publicly sought to justify the attacks on churches is totally justified.’

The report then goes on to note that, ‘the plea that the organizations like Bajrang Dal needs identification and registration for legal control deserves  acceptance.’

Further the annexure XLVII of the report, which lists 56 churches which were attacked, specifically names Hindu fundamentalist organisations which were  involved in the attacks on the following churches:

1. Christian Believers Prayer Hall, Chikmagalore: Bajrang Dal
2. Jagadeshawara Church, Mudigere, Chikmagalore: Bajrang Dal
3. Carmel Mathe Devalaya, Kudremukh, Chikmagalore: Bajrang Dal
4. Adoration Monastery,  Mangalore: Bajrang Dal
5. Mandyantar Mahima Prartana Mandir, Belthangady: Bajrang Dal
6. St Sebastian Church, Permanur: Bajrang Dal
7. DHM Pratana Mandira Nittuvali, Davangere: Hindu Jagarana Vedike
8. Eternal Life Church, Nittuvali, Davanagere: Hindu Jagarana Vedike
9. Full Gospel Assembly, Harapanahalli, Davanagere: Sangh Parivar
10. Jesus Prayer Hall, Davanagere: Hindu Jagran Vedike
11. New Life Fellowship, Udupi; Bajrang  Dal
12. Life and Light Ministries, Shiroor,  Udupi: Bajrang Dal
13. Kapitanio High School, Mangalore: Bajrang Dal
14. Anagodu Church, Davangere: Fundamentalist miscreants
15. Jesu Krupalaya, Bada Davangere: Hindu fundamentalists

In particular, Bajrang Dal has been named as being behind the attacks on nine churches, Hindu Jagarana Vedike as being behind the attacks on three churches, Sangh Parivar on one church and unnamed Hindu fundamentalists on two churches.

In the face of this annexure of his own report, as well as the detailed churchwise findings released by the commission, the question to ask is whether the commission is at all justified in giving a clean chit to the Sangh Parivar? The only way, the commission can do that is by concluding that neither the Bajrang Dal nor the Hindu Jagran Vedike are members of the Sangh Parivar.

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The material before the Commission itself both in terms of submissions made before it as well as the cross examination of Mahendra Kumar indicates the linkages between the Bajrang Dal and the VHP and the link to the RSS.

What emerges clearly in the material before the Commission is that the Bajrang Dal does not act independently but is really a part of a larger parivar or family which controls and directs their actions. In the cross examination by Ibrahim,  Mahendra Kumar, states that the Bajrang Dal is the youth wing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and is a part of the VHP.

This admission by Mahendra Kumar, one of the key witnesses before the Commission, of the relationship between the Bajrang Dal and the VHP must be read in the context of the conclusions of the Liberhan Commission which were also placed before the Commission.

It should be noted that when the Liberhan Report was sought to be placed before the Commission by the counsel for the Christian priests, Justice Somasekhara vociferously objected that the report was not necessary as he was going to understand what happened in Karnataka as a sui generis event with no linkages or connections to any past events.

However the counsel for the Christian priests  argued that one cannot understand the church attacks as a one-off event and it had to be seen as linked to the ideology of Hindutva and the organisational structure of the RSS. The extracts from the Liberhan Commission cited below were placed before the Commission in the form of written arguments.

The Liberhan Commission noted that:

“The RSS, Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, BJP e.t.c, and their inter se relationship have been subjected to a detailed study in my report and their relationship with the de jure powers. These organisations are collectively an immense and awesome entity with  a shrewd brain, a wide encompassing sweep and the crushing strength of the mob. The leadership provided by the RSS, BJP, VHP and the other mutating and constantly transforming organisations like the Hindu Mahasabha and the Jan Sangh, in furtherance of the suspect theories of the founders of these organisations was consistent and unabashed. The ends are all that matter to the core group of  thinkers and the destruction of the disputed structure was only one victorious battle in their ongoing campaign against secularism and the  multicultural society, clothed in the garb of religion etc…” (para 160.10)

In a specific chapter IX  called, Organisations and their Inter Se links, J. Liberhan noted that:

Throughout this report the term Sangh Parivar has the same connotation and has been used interchangeably with the phrases, founders or authors or leaders etc of the temple construction movement. Some of the organisations which form a prominent part of the Parivar are:-

109.1.1 RSS

109.1.2 BJP

109.1.3 Rashriya Sevika Samithi

109.1.4 Vishwa Hindu Parishad

109.1.5 Bajrang Dal

Based on the material placed before the commission as well as the content of the commission’s own  report in the form of annexure XLVII and the churchwise finding, what is clear is the role of the Sangh Parivar in the attacks on churches.

Why then does the commission  conclude that the Sangh Parivar has no role in the attacks?

What paralysed the commission  from drawing what appear to be logical and necessary inferences?

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The question of the responsibility of the government of Karnataka  for the church attacks: On the question of state responsibility, the report concludes that, ‘the impression and allegation that the top police officers and the district administration had colluded with attackers in attacking the church or places of worship had no merit.’

The report also  concludes that, ‘the police action against the Christian protesters in several incidents were justified except at St Sebastian Church, Permanur, unexplainably excessive and unreasonable and is in violation of the expected norms prescribed. But the same cannot be generalised for all police actions at different locations.’

However, in the very next para, the report states, ‘it was imprudent, unreasonable and inexperienced act on the part of the police to enter into the premises of some churches in Dakshina Kannada without following legal requirements amounting to violation of religious interests and human rights protected under the Constitution of India.’

The commission  concedes that the district administration failed particularly in Davangere describing the actions of the district administration as ‘unreasonably cruel and illegal’ and recommended initiation of action against all top police officers  above the rank of a police sub-inspector with respect to the actions on a church in Mangalore.

If the Commission can recognise, even if in a half hearted fashion, the failures of the district administration as well as the police, one fails to see how the Commission gives a clean chit to the state government.

Clearly, the district administration and the police are arms of the state administration and the State government is vicariously responsible for any dereliction of duty.

The significance of this cannot be overstated particularly as in Davangere, the first attacks began as early as 2007, and continued till the end of  2008 without any action by the state government despite numerous complaints.  However,  the commission refuses to attribute any vicarious liability to the state government.

In fact it should be noted that an application by an advocate for the Christian priests to summon the then home minister, V.S Acharya, before the commission was just kept pending and not decided upon by the commission. By not allowing this application, the commission did not give the counsel for the Christian priests an opportunity to establish the responsibility of the state government including the Home Minister for the attacks.

Thus the fact that the Christian community submitted many memorandums during the course of the attacks and the fact that neither the home minister or chief minister took any action to prevent the attacks could not be made a part of the evidence.

The Report also goes out of its way to explicitly state that neither the BJP nor the ruling party had any role in the attacks. Neither the state nor the BJP filed any affidavit before the commission and in-spite of allegations against the BJP as well as the ruling government, no BJP leader was issued summons by the commission.

The commission failed to utilize its investigative powers under Section 5 of the Commissions of Inquiry Act.

The scope of the inquiry under the Commission of Inquiry Act is wider than the scope of a normal trial with the judge being mandated to  adopt a more inquisitorial role. However, this scope was woefully underused with the commission doing no investigative work to unearth the conspiracy which resulted in simultaneous attacks on churches across Karnataka.

In fact the failure to examine a single state authority and a single member of the RSS or the Bajrang Dal other than Mahendra Kumar, forms an instructive contrast to the proceedings before the Liberhan Commission.

The Liberhan Commission examined on oath a range of luminaries including the then Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao, the leader of the main opposition party L.K. Advani and the then chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, Kalyan Singh, as well as leaders of the Bajrang Dal and Vishwa Hindu Parishad.

By contrast, the  Justice Somasekhara Commission shied away from putting on the stand either the home minister, V.S. Acharya, or any of the top leaders of the RSS and the VHP in Karnataka.

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Going after the innocent: Priests and human rights activists: The commission concluded that there were no instances of forcible or fraudulent conversion, however there were instances of conversion by inducements. The conclusion of the commission seems to be that it is conversion by inducements which may have resulted in the attacks.

For example, pastor Rajshekar of the Full Gospel Church at Harapanahalli’s  activities require to be checked by the District Administration as, ‘there are indications of attempted conversion by Pastor Rajshekar under the guise of holding prayers attracting Hindus.

‘With respect to Chikballapur, the churchwise findings note that, ‘government may enquire and withdraw the privileges to every person who is indulging or getting converted in such illegal activities of conversion commercially.’

Conversion is manufactured as the reason for the attacks  before the Commission, particularly by the lawyers representing Hindutva interests. (As an aside one should note that the strategy of the Hindutva groups is to ensure that Bajrang Dal, VHP, RSS were not officially represented, but their interests were effectively canvassed by lawyers claiming to represent individual Hindu petitioners.)

The question to be posed would be, was there material before the Commission to indicate that conversion was on such a large scale as to ignite spontaneous anger of  Hindus to attack churches across the state on September 14 and September 15, 2008 and the months thereafter and continuing attacks at Davangere ever since 2007.

On a rigorous fact analysis what emerges is that in the affidavits before the commission, each allegation  of conversion is a purely local affair with no larger ramifications.

Even within the terms of those making the allegation of conversion, the material before the commission does not indicate that there was incidents of conversion with district level ramifications let along state level ramifications, leave along the ability to incite spontaneous anger across the state resulting in the church attacks.

As such, the issue of conversion was a red herring, which plays no role in explaining the planned and targetted church attacks.

In fact the cynical deployment of the trumped up charge of conversion as a justification for the church attacks bear close parallel to the Nazi manufacture of the Riechstag fire to unleash a pogrom upon the Communists and the Jews.

Closer home, it has been a well established practice of Hindutva groups to justify illegal actions carried out by them based upon the logic of an earlier harm which has supposedly been inflicted upon the Hindu community. The best illustration of this form of ex post factu reasoning is the justification  for the  demolition of the Babri masjid.

The roots of the justification lie is the historical hurt suffered by Hindus when the Babri masjid was supposedly erected after demolishing a Hindu shrine. The invocation of this historical hurt mitigates the patent illegality of the act of demolition. This method of reasoning is what is employed to justify the  attacks on the churches with the supposed provocation being  conversion.

Disregarding all the gaps in evidence and the fact that allegations of conversion remain unproved, the commission not only concludes that conversion has happened but goes on to pass severe strictures against priests in various districts, asking the police and district administration to monitor the activities of the priests and take appropriate action.

The  commission also recommends that the financial activities of some of the petitioner priests be regulated.

In the case of the church at Yedavanahalli, the commission unreasonably  concludes that the main culprits in the burning of the church are the parish priest, Father Santhosh and his men. While the commission is very severe on the priests, the Bajrang Dal and Hindu Jagran Vedike is let off easily with no questions as to where they get their funds from or recommendations to the state government to take stern action against these groups who are involved in the attacks on the churches.

The strictures passed by the Commission is not limited to priests whose churches were desecrated but also to public spirited individuals who filed affidavits alleging the serious violations of constitutional rights.

Melvil Pinto, a member of the PUCL Janadhwani, who filed an affidavit is accused of having a ‘cynical, cryptic and vilifying attitude towards the BJP and ruling government and the Commission recommends that the government should take ‘serious action against Melvil Pinto for his blasphemous expressions against them’. The Commission recommends that existing proceedings against  Melvil Pinto under the Goondas Act be pursued or initiated.

Similarly, another public spirited citizen who produced detailed documentary evidence of the involvement of Mahendra Kumar in the church attacks, Anil Colaco, the one who produces evidence of the attacks on the churches by Mahendra Kumar, is perversely held jointly responsible for the attacks on Christian Believers Prayer Hall in Chikmagalore.

Of course similar harsh language is never employed when it comes to Mahendra Kumar, who openly proclaimed his role in the church attack before the TV cameras. The commission does not recommend that action be taken against Mahendra Kumar under the Goondas Act, though this was a measure recommended by the superintendent of police of Chikmagalore in a report to the district collector.

The commission launches a tirade against the two enemies of the Sangh Parivar, namely the Christian priests and the human rights activists. In effect the message being conveyed is that any criticism of the BJP government is akin to blasphemy and criticise at your own peril.

The equation of the criticism of the BJP to blasphemous expressions runs contrary to the observations of the Supreme Court in S.R. Bommai v. Union of India:

Secularism is one of the basic features of the Constitution. While freedom of religion   is guaranteed to all persons in India, from the point of view of the state, the religion, faith or belief of a person is immaterial. To the state, all are equal and are entitled to be treated equally. In matters of state, religion has no place. No political party can   simultaneously be a religious party. Politics and religion cannot be mixed. Any state government which pursues unsecular policies or unsecular course of action acts  contrary to the Constitutional mandate and renders itself amenable to action under Art 356 [i]

In a context where all state authorities work within the framework of secularism as defined by the Supreme Court, criticising the BJP is a right of all citizens of India. Religion and politics are separate and by no stretch of imagination can be any criticism of the BJP be described as blasphemous.

While in a future constitution authored by the Sangh Parivar, criticism of the BJP may indeed be blasphemy, under the Indian Constitution, it would  be a grievous error undermining the secular foundations of the state to describe criticism as blasphemous remarks. Such phrases are more suited to a theocracy rather than a secular democracy like India.

The final denouement of the report had its birth in the proceedings before the Commission.

The red herring of conversion, finances of the priests, and so called denigration of Hindu gods, formed the staple of the Commission hearings for over two years with pastors and priests who had suffered attacks being repeatedly and aggressively questioned on these points, almost making it seem that the attacks were justified.

What was stunning was the complete failure to put on the stand even one person other than Mahendra Kumar who were behind the attacks.

As such the Commission  merely accepted  affidavits and endlessly cross examining the victims as to conversion thereby furthering the RSS agenda of tarnishing the Christian community. The commission showed little inclination and in fact was quite resistant to examining both Hindutva ideology as well as the role of the RSS and its affiliates in the attack.

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Flawed diagnosis and wrong medicine: The Commission fundamentally misdiagnoses the problem as a conflict between religions, with the reason for the attacks being the denigration of Hindu Gods as well as conversions. Based on this flawed understanding the commission makes a series of recommendations aimed at curbing religions expression.

The Commission proposes that the offences against religion chapter be enlarged with a  special law with ‘stringent sentences of minimum period of punishment with no bail and no right of appeal’.

Similarly, the Commission recommends that ‘all organisations preaching any activity against any religion should be subject to stringent punishments as above.

The Commission also recommends that a new law to be called, ‘Prevention and punishments for atrocities on the religions and the faiths Act ,2011′ be passed.

There is also a proposal to set up a Commission of religions to ‘eliminate fraudulent methods of misusing a religious tag for selfish purposes detriment to the religious interests of the country’.

There are a couple of anodyne recommendations to make the district administration liable for all violations and to set up special police to deal with religious matters. As if to specifically address the victim priests, the Commission orders compensation to be paid by the District Authorities for the damages to person and property.

The tenor of the decidedly  constitutional  rights unfriendly  recommendations,seems to buy into the theory of the Hindutva advocates before the Commission that it is the religious  excesses of the Christian community which has resulted in the attacks.  Therefore, the recommendations are tailored towards a greater control of religious expression  with the implicit promise that then unconstitutional attacks will not happen.

This of course begs the question as to what is being done about those groups who took the law into their own hands and perpetrated the attacks?

Surely the Christian community cannot be implicitly  held responsible for the attacks on their own churches and told to contain their religious expression? The report assumes that the hurt of the Christian community will be assuaged by compensation, fundamentally missing the point that the hurt of desecration cannot be assuaged by money, but only by recommendations of firm and impartial  action to make the perpetrators accountable.

The recommendations also miss the point that what is needed is not new laws with serious constitutional infirmities but rather the impartial implementation of the laws which already exist on the statute books.

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Conclusion:  With all these criticisms, the one point which needs to be highlighted is that the Bajrang Dal, Hindu Jagran Vedike as well as Hindu fundamentalist groups do not as the media has reported get a ‘clean chit’ with the Commission finding that they were behind the attacks of fifteen churches.

The identified groups need to be made accountable for their criminal actions.

Where the Commission fails is in making the linkages between the various attacks, understanding the underlying pattern and pinning responsibility on the Sangh Parivar as well as the State government. The wilful blindness of the Commission to the pattern of attack, marks out the Commission as particularly unwilling to finding out the ‘truth’.

A summation of the contradictions that mark this report is available through the words of the commission itself in its clarificatory remarks:

“It has examined the truth or otherwise of the alleged attacks regarding each Church involved, identified the miscreants, indicated the failures of district administration  and others, suggested action against them as per law and recommended reliefs to the victims in clear terms and equally exonerated the government and others on merits.”

As the clarification makes clear, the district administration has failed but not the state government, the miscreants have been identified as the Bajrang Dal and the Hindu Jagran Vedike but the Sangh Parivar has been explicitly exonerated.

The clarificatory note  succinctly summarises the many failures of the report.

The public response to the findings of the Justice Somasekhara Commission has been harshly critical of its many failures.

The unfortunate response by the Commission to this joining of public debate on a matter of national importance is to try and stem the tide of public criticism by threatening action under Section 10 A of the Commissions of Inquiry Act for any words either spoken or statements which is calculated to bring the Commission into disrepute. This directly hits at the basic freedom of discussing issues without fear and favour and essential to a functioning democracy.

The report of a commission of inquiry is an exercise in persuading the public of the truth of what had actually happened. The mode of reasoning employed by the Commission, its ability to pay attention to historical patterns and its empathy for its victims even as it comes to its conclusions are all important for a report to make an impact as an example of ‘truth telling’.

If the Commission findings fail to persuade the public of the ‘truth’ of its claims, it should be a moment of self-reflection for the Commission as to the inconsistencies and contradictions in its own report and raise the question as to why its form of public reasoning fails to persuade that the Sangh Parivar had nothing to do with the church attacks or that the BJP administration is not criminally liable for allowing the attacks to happen.

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File photograph: A woman sends up a prayer at the St Yagappa Church at Mariyannapalya in Bangalore which was attacked one Sunday morning in September 2008 (Karnataka Photo News)

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Also read: Seeds of hatred are beginning to bear fruit

KIRAN MAZUMDAR: ‘Our society can’t be safe with IM & Bajrang Dal’

Just one question I’m dying to ask V.S. Acharya

U.R. ANANTHA MURTHY: ‘Sangh Parivar is destroying Hindu civilisation’

‘Bajrang Dal doesn’t belong in Mangalore’

GAURI LANKESH: How Karnataka is becoming Gujarat of South

‘Is saving souls a good way of saving democracy?’

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33 Responses to “VHP & Bajrang Dal aren’t part of Sangh Parivar?”

  1. Naaneke Bareyuttene Says:

    Yawn…. Long articles like this are really boring. Only thing that caught my attention was the photo of this old woman who seems to be praying to her lord for a child. I wish her all the best as her “lord” is known to grant such wishes even to virgins.

  2. Mysore Peshva Says:

    Narrain and Jagadisha’s article is well argued.

    But what amuses me is Churumuri’s anti-Sangh Parivar rant. Such rants are necessary in a democracy, but I wish there was more frequently directed against India’s inept prime minister and his disgraceful cabinet ministers.

    Churumuri, please get your priorities right! You are chasing chindi chor Yeddi and his irrelevant Sangh Parivar when India’s top two problems in every sphere are clearly (1) Corruption, and (2) Incompetence, which together have led us into (a) Severe breakdown of rule of law, (b) Severe inflation, and (c) Severe environmental degradation. Those are the issues I would like for us to discuss, not the small-time antics of Yeddi and his circus.

    Why are you relatively silent on India’s most inept Prime Minister in two decades? The real and total disgrace is not the BJP in Karnataka, but the UPA in New Delhi. Come on, can’t you see that? — or do you have blinkers on?

    Why do you not run a campaign to build pressure on the foodgrain scamster Shri. Sharad Pawar (operating under the protection of Nero Manmohan SIngh), telecom kalla Shri. A. Raja, (under protectiomn of Nero Manmohan Singh), CWG gang led by Shri. Suresh Kalmadi (also under protection of Nero Manmohan Singh), and a myriad other crooks in the Union cabinet? Those rascals have collectively destroyed the morale of the bureaucracy, and caused an increasingly cynical society. The criminality of UPA-II ministers is setting the stage for cynical politics and even a street revolution in some parts of India.

    Similarly, when have you discussed the wonderful developmental progress in Gujarat under Narendra Modi? In Orissa under Naveen Patnaik? In Bihar under Nitish Kumar? Are there no lessons that Karnataka can learn from those progressive states?

    As I said, you need to get your priorities right! Your selective critique targeting the Sangh Parivar — and relatively ignoring infinitely more dangerous communal crooks such as the Deve Gowda family — gives away your anti-BJP, anti-RSS agenda. It does not suggest any genuine interest in discussing hot political problems that are eroding India’s democracy.

    Of course, Churumuri is welcome to have an agenda or bias if it does not care about credibility!

  3. Thyampanna Shettru Says:

    ARVIND NARRAIN and B.N. JAGADEESHA are surely paid propagandists of the church. I see congress hand behind this propaganda, This is another attempt to malign the name of our CM Yeduvirappa. As all of us know that CM Yeduvirappa is a staunch religious guy, his administration was not certainly a part in this riots. Congress is cunning and was involved in the nefarious activity.

  4. Ravi Says:

    For the record, Kalifa is a Marxist rag that propounds theories such as, 26-11 was a Sangh conspiracy to malign the fair name of the religion of peace. Moderators/authors in Kalifa find kindred spirits in Kashmiri separatists, Maoists and post comments such as, long live the resistance. I had really enjoyed churmuri for objectively posting many interesting items. But over the years churmuri has taken on a far-left ideological taint.

    Left-lib-secular perfidy knows no bounds. When Banerjee commission exonerates Muslim mobs for Godhra, its fine. When Nanavati commission reports to the contrary thats wrong. When Somasekhara panel reports Christian fanaticism for harvesting souls being the root cause of conflict that wrong. These modern day Jaichands are a bigger thread to country and civilization than all the Christian inquisitors and Islamic Jihadis who wish to harvest the heathen and kill the kafirs.

  5. Usman Victor Puru Saamidurai Says:

    Silly Kostin Saar!!

    Would it be possible to get such a well written and well researched thesis on the Christian Crusades on Native Cultures of the Dark Ages?

    Is there a detailed analysis of how many times Mohammad of Ghajini(Murugadas saar…sorry) attacked Hindu Religious organizations and how much he plundered the “golden land”?

    The Christian benefactors from the west came to our land and took away a few bus tickets in the 16th century. Can we get those tickets back today please?

    Ivella bitbitru….yeno hindu terror ante hosa concept!!!

  6. the colonel Says:

    maine socha:

    ‘ Chandan Bhai Ka Area Hai,

    Lafda Nahi Karne Ka’

  7. Raj Says:

    Lets Ban these terror organisation of VHP, RSS, Bhajrang Dal and leader of them all… the BJP who apparently is led by a Pakistani Advani. Who again spreads hatism against our Indian national leaders like MK Ghandhi and Nehru, but goes on praising Jinnah!

  8. Charvaka Says:

    Yawn. Time to move on Churumuri.

    A retired judge investigated and found BJP had no role. Suck it up and move on. No single person died in the whole drama where a state government was almost dismissed in midst of shrill attacks by media and opposition parties.

    Just think about it – why on earth a government would support attacks on church when a hostile regime rules in Center (whose leader is from holy land of Italy/Vatican)?

    We are supposed to believe Yeddy and team are so dumb that they will risk their government by planning these attacks?

    Now, why not talk about Sikh massacre after Indira Gandhi attacks. Wait a minute – where are all reports? That was 1984 and now it is 2011?

  9. Furious_Telangana Says:

    I don’t blame the hindu groups cause they only resorted to tit-for-tat. If a hindu group began spreading pamphlets about jesus being a “miracle performing baba” fooling the people then it would have made national headlines. The UN and the some other watchdog would have dropped in out of nowhere to sensationalise the whole thing.

    I think hindus are too welcoming. They ignore trouble until it arrives on their doorsteps and resort to drastic measures. The christian groups occupy significant places in the media and the watchdog councils in the UN. They have great powers to influence public opinion. The hindus are fighting at a national level. The christian groups are raining at an international level.

  10. PM Says:

    You put lot of efforts to expose the state BJP government.
    Where were you when Swami Lakshmanananda was murdered brutally by the extremist chritians? I didnt see such kind of blog during that time.

    People like you are the most communal and spread hatredness in this world, harsh but true Mr.Krishna prasad aka Churumuri

  11. Complex Says:

    Are right-wing groups involved in these incidents? : Yes
    Do BJP guys accept the above fact?: No
    Is conversion going on in Karnataka, by giving money? : Yes
    Is conversion by offering money legally wrong?: No, it is right
    Is it ethical?: No
    Do christians accept that conversion is done by offering money: No
    Is Justice Somashekhara impartial: No
    Is Bharadwaj impartial? : No
    Should the perpetrators be prosecuted? : Yes
    Will they be? : No
    Do people have any real power: No

  12. Dr Y N I Anand Says:

    Mysore Peshva wrote,

    “Why do you not run a campaign to build pressure on CWG gang led by Shri. Suresh Kalmadi (also under protection of Nero Manmohan Singh)”?

    I did not expect even Mysore Peshwa to be so gullible as to name the “poor” Kalmadi who also made a few hundred crores of “Chillare” like Yeddi made. It is amazing that all have either forgotten or do not know the real beneficiaries of CWG. Consider this:

    The total outlay of the CWG 2010 was of the order of 78,000 crores.

    Of this, about half was given to Shiela Dik shit to improve the infrastructure of Delhi.

    2% of the total or about 1600 cr was given to Kalmadi to manage the function and the related events.

    The rest that is, 37000 Cr was spent by the Central Govt for various related “schemes”.

    Now, it is estimated that Kalmadi could have made around 30% of the money allocated to him that is, 500 Cr.

    Shiela’s son was the de facto sanctioning authority for all the contracts. The going rate of cut money is 3 around 30% to get a contract. At this rat, he would have made around 12,000 Cr.

    The authorities who spent the balance 37,000 crores made another 11,000 cr.

    Now you decide as to who is the real thief and why they are projecting the poor Kalmadi for all the ills of CWG.

    Finally, the original article is too lengthy to have any patience to go through in full, and is worth a safe place in a non-retrievable & recyclable bin.

  13. Karavali Says:

    Mysore Peshva,

    I don’t think it is an either or situation.

    Unless you were on a holiday you wouldn’t have missed plenty of articles in Churumuri regarding the stinking scams and mis-governance of Central Government in the last few months. I didn’t see you complaining about the deluge of that and lack of exposure on what’s happening in our immediate neighborhood.

    That’s precisely what is needed at this point ie concern for our state and the way it’s run. In a federal structure like ours, most of the day-to-day governance is via the state Govt and local bodies. So while it’s good to have a concern for what’s happening in Delhi, our foremost worry should be how Yeddy and gang are ruining the state.

    Nationalism is all fine but not at the cost of state. There are enough media houses and channels to go after what’s happening at Delhi. And they have been doing with gusto. Given the local flavor, I think Churumuri is right in focusing more on what’s rotten right in our immediate neighbourhood.

    And unless your nose is blocked you wouldn’t have missed the godawful stink.

  14. Balu Says:

    Some of the readers here want to focus the media attention on central government misdeeds. I agree with all of them as long as they are not supporting and talking about any political party. I believe we have to clean up our house before we look elsewhere. Please look at our home it’s completely rotten by our waste netas. (SSLC Nanna Makkalu – Reddys & Chindi Chor, Huchha & Moodha – Yedddy)

  15. Mysore Peshva Says:

    *Karavali* and *Dr Y N I Anand*

    Your points are well taken, sirs. :) I cannot disagree…

  16. the colonel Says:

    come on guys know your history.

    as long as the GANGA Maa flows, there is no challenge.

    INDIA is A SPONGE everything gets absorbed and is neutralized.

    we are all TERMINAL but not our CIVILIZATION in its UNACCOUNTED and MYRIAD forms.

    if we are terminal hate also dies, what is IMMORTAL is UNDERSTANDING

    ***

    Please do TAKE a print of THE PICTURE above.

    HEAR THE SOUND OF SILENCE

  17. twistleton Says:

    ex post facto syndrome seems to hit a lot of people nowadays. I think I’m going to dig up some crime committed by some person in the past against my ancestors and then take revenge on any person remotely representing the community of the original perpetrator. I’m sure the State Government will indulge me…

  18. BHARTIYA Says:

    It’s become so fashionable bashing out Hindus and relevant groups! it’s sucking. Churumuri has proved itself just another secular communal force acting as propaganda machine funded by foreign agents. You suck!!!

  19. laxminarayana v n Says:

    Hitler’s party was called National Socialist party which had the inverted swastik as its symbol. Rss means the same, translated as Rashtriya(national)Seva(socialist) sangha(organization). It is not an accident that sangh parivar has similar ideology which believes in Aryan supremacy and inequality of human beings. Many Hindu religious heads flock under pan Hindu banner and admit allegience to RSS though in so many cunning ways as ‘like minded’ people and organizations. Savithri Devi (a hinduized Greco-German and a stanch theorist of race supremacy) stood as a stong link between Hindu nationalism (tactically claiming great patriots like Subhas Chandra Bose and comrade Bhagat Singh as their own) and German Nazism. Things have changed since the death of Hitler, for good, bad and worse but the nazi mindset of Aryan/Hindu racism cum nationalism remains intact.

  20. Sanjeeva Says:

    Narain and Jagadisha: Beautifully written. Bravo, Wah, Wah, Keep it up, Kudos, Well done, Cherio etc….. Err…. I am sure you have written similar essay when Mulayam said that SIMI is a cultural organization, when a former PM said that if there is another birth, I wish to be born as a Muslim, when Say Coolers wear caps and sit in Iftars. Oh Come on enough of this drama and cheap politics. Don’t paint a picture as if the whole state is burning. People continue to buy flowers and garland their respective gods without bothering to know, which caste grew it, which caste sold it, and the paper in which flowers are bundled belong to which caste etc….. You silly fellows you are more dangerous than the few thugs who indulge in vandalism.

  21. Deepak Says:

    Ho..hum….all on expected lines. In fact, it would have been surprising if Churumuri had published a piece by Dr. Chidanand Murthy on this topic :)

    The jokers who wrote this piece are the same guys who were dealing with pink chaddis. Their credentials are well-known and so anything said by them has neither credibility nor acceptability.

  22. kaangeya Says:

    This article from Kafila is tendentious disingenuous and meritricious. For a start, this passage, lifted from the Liberhan Report is full of innuendo and nothing else,

    My comment on the Kafila duo

    The RSS, Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, BJP e.t.c, and their inter se relationship have been subjected to a detailed study in my report and their relationship with the de jure powers.

    Don’t quote from some past report to make your point. That report isn’t a done deal yet.

    These organisations are collectively an immense and awesome entity with a shrewd brain, a wide encompassing sweep and the crushing strength of the mob. The leadership provided by the RSS, BJP, VHP and the other mutating and constantly transforming organisations like the Hindu Mahasabha and the Jan Sangh, in furtherance of the suspect theories of the founders of these organisations was consistent and unabashed.

    The Jan Sangh and Hindu Mahasabha are defunct, the former de jure, and the latter de facto. JS was a political party that contested elections and was never in its political history accused of any violence whatsoever. The Hindu Mahasabha’s Dr. SP Mookerjea was a brave India who dared to enter J&K in 1952 to challenge the notoriously discriminatory laws of the state that barred any person from the rest of India to enter the state without a permit. What is supposedly endowed with a shrewed brain, not an human or an animal or even one organization – it is an imagined conglomerate. This nonsense and borders on demonisation of 1000s of people.

    The ends are all that matter to the core group of thinkers and the destruction of the disputed structure was only one victorious battle in their ongoing campaign against secularism and the multicultural society, clothed in the garb of religion etc

    The dispute over the disputed structure is centuries old and was already long simmering dispute at the beginning of colonial rule in the early 19th century. FYI Kafila, spinners, the dispute was over a temple destroyed, not over the birthplace of Rama.

    I will be writing more later today, and if the moderators permit me to continue I will have taken this Kafila invective laden report apart paragraph by paragraph.

  23. dodo Says:

    @laxminarayana v n

    RSS= Rashtriya( national) Swamsevak ( volunteer) Sangha ( association)

    sometime having a keyboard is not reason enough to start writing nonsense

  24. Sanjeeva Says:

    Laxminarayana! You have got it all wrong sir. RSS is not Rashtriya Seva Sangha, but Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. Seva does not mean Socialist, but service. You dont even know the correct nomenclature, but you write as if you have seen the inside out of the organization. You are still living in Hitler’s time. Please wake up, it is 21st century now.

  25. twistleton Says:

    Commentors – answer the question – Are VHP and Bajrang Dal part of the Sangh or not? Further debate will unfurl from that pivotal answer.

  26. Complex Says:

    Yes, they are

  27. Sanjeeva Says:

    I dont think they are.

  28. laxminarayana v n Says:

    dear sanjeeva You are right and I am wrong in associating s with seva(k omitted) etc. my concern is, does this correction of spelling change the perspective and objectives of RSS? A volunteer (swayamsevak) in good faith believes he serves the society at large. Whose interest Sanghparivar in general and RSS in particular have been serving? And just watch the language of those who defend sanghparivar. They are simply intolerant of dissidence. What does it reflect? cruelty is not just physical, in its absence it manifests as verbal. Sadly this is the essence of what Hitler also stood for.

  29. kaangeya Says:

    Whose interest Sanghparivar in general and RSS in particular have been serving? The interest of every Indian, nothing more, nothing less.

  30. Deepak Says:

    @laxminarayana
    care to give any examples sir? Who, when, how?

    Comparing Sangh to Hitler is so easy it just takes a few letters on the keyboard to do so. If there has been any Hitler in this country, it is Mrs.Ghandi and her descendants – they are the true Hitlers this country has seen.

    And the so-called ‘liberals’ are the true Hitlers, who don’t have the tolerance to listen to anything that they don’t like. The Bharadwajs who have the gumption to deny Ph.D, only because the person concerned favours the Sangh – it is these characters who are the Hitlers….

  31. Jagadish N Says:

    In our sixth decade after independence from the so-called colonial oppressors, we appear to be no better off, rather much worse off now. As long as we keep using religion, caste, community, language and skin colour as tools to get votes or discriminate, we are moving backwards.

    The intent of our so-called leaders is to keep the people uninformed and uneducated, the worse off they are the better for the political parties.

    No one exemplifies this better than the Nehru – Gandhi families who have been controlling this country since before independence by dividing, dis-informing and conquering.

    Contrary to peoples’ beliefs, there is such a thing as too much democracy, as exemplified by this country. Any idiot can publish his rantings in a newsrag like Kafila and other idiots lap it up. Most rags are backed by some political or big business powers. This one sounds like the so-called secular socialist congress rantings – naming and shaming Hindu groups while treating muslim militant outfits and radical christian conversion groups with kid gloves, therefore not so subtly encouraging these two latter religions and their related extremist ideologies to propagate.

  32. Sanjeeva Says:

    Jagdish N: Good analysis. And, with such articles, they are giving room to hatred than any sensible write up.

  33. twistleton Says:

    @Jagadish

    Actually the Congress is as much pro-majoritarian as the Sangh. It just doesn’t indulge in crude display of colours.

    @kaangeya
    You are delusional. Interest of every Indian indeed. I think the Sangh knows what it is doing; it is calculating and scheming, like any other political establishment. It is not some fantastic humanitarian organisation acting merely to satisfy quixotc impulses. The Sangh is not a foolish hero. It is conscious and sapient political entity. It is this duplicity in appearances that irks many people.

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