Hopefully, nothing has been lost in translation?

PALINI R. SWAMY writes from Bangalore: There are ways and there are ways of convincing your critics, but as a pioneering entrepreneur, N.R. Narayana Murthy clearly believes in taking the road not taken.

Lampooned by the writer Baragur Ramachandrappa for being asked to open the world Kannada conference (Vishwa Kannada Sammelana) to be held in Belgaum this weekend despite his “anti-Kannada stance”, the Infosys chief mentor has given interviews today to underline his Kannada credentials.

But surprise, surprise—or maybe not—Murthy sits down with Asha Rai of The Times of India and Asha Krishnaswamy of Deccan Herald to make his point, not with any of the many Kannada newspapers or news channels operating out of Bangalore.

As if his Kannadiga-ness is only to be reiterated to English readers.

The ToI and DH interviews have been dutifully translated into the Kannada publications of the two English giants, Vijaya Karnataka and Praja Vani, respectively, but surely Infosys’ well-oiled PR machine could have done better by getting their admirable chief to also sit with a few Kannada journalists?

Link via P. Ramesh

Images: courtesy Praja Vani, Vijaya Karnataka

Also read: Should NRN open the world Kannada conference?

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42 Responses to “Hopefully, nothing has been lost in translation?”

  1. Shiv Says:

    Dear writer, you strangely point fingers at Mr. Murthy for giving interview to only “Angla” Bhashe newspapers on a site which is in English?? Majority of the content of this site has always been in English. The question is, is the language of the medium so important to convey “Abhimaana” about a particular language?

  2. Nija Says:

    Either NRN has agreed to speak to correspondents from only English dailies, or only English daily correspondents have approached NRN for an interview.

    What’s common in both of these possibilities is that a Kannadiga, or a bunch of Kannadigas have neglected themselves for the very reason they’re called Kannadigas — NRN has turned down interview requests of Kannada dailies, or Kannada dailies have stayed away from this matter thereby assuming that an imposition of an opinion is what Kannadigas deserve and thereby undermined the significance of Kannadigas’ opinions.

  3. ವಸಂತ Says:

    I read NRN’s interview in today’s news papers. On one hand, he says every effort must be made to bring science and maths education in Kannada at all levels and on the other hand he says “Kannada is just fit for talking and lighter stuffs like saahitya, kale and English is fit for science and technology”. ಯಾವುದಾದರೂ ಒಂದು ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ಇಂತದ್ದು ಸಾಧ್ಯ, ಇಂತದ್ದು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ ಅಂತಾ ಇರುತ್ತಾ? ಒಂದು ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ಈ ರೀತಿಯ ಮಿತಿ ಇರುತ್ತಾ? ಅಥವಾ ಆ ಮಿತಿ ಇರುವುದು ಆ ಭಾಷೆಯಾಡುವ ಜನರಲ್ಲಿ, ಅವರ ಯೋಚನೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ತಾನೇ? ಇಂತಿಂತದು ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ ಅಂದುಕೊಂಡ್ರೆ ಯಾವತ್ತಿಗೂ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ. ಇಂತಿಂತದು ಸಾಧ್ಯ ಆಗುತ್ತೆ, ಸಾಧ್ಯ ಮಾಡ್ತಿನಿ ಅಂದುಕೊಂಡ್ರೆ ಅದು ಸಾಧ್ಯ ಆಗೇ ಆಗುತ್ತೆ. ಮನುಷ್ಯನ ಇಚ್ಛಾಶಕ್ತಿಯಿಂದಲೇ ತಾನೇ ಇವತ್ತು ಜಗತ್ತು ಈ ರೂಪ ಪಡೆದಿರೋದು? ಅದೇ ತಾನೇ ಮನುಷ್ಯರನ್ನೂ, ಪ್ರಾಣಿಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರತ್ಯೇಕಿಸಿರುವುದು? ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ಉನ್ನತ ಶಿಕ್ಷಣ ತರಬೇಕು ಅನ್ನುವ ಹಟವಿದ್ದರೆ, ಆ ಯೋಗ್ಯತೆ ತಾನೇ ತಾನಾಗಿ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. ಇಸ್ರೇಲ್ ಅಲ್ಲಿ ಹಿಬ್ರೂ ಇಸ್ರೆಲಿಗರ ಅನ್ನದ ಭಾಷೆಯಾಗಿ ಬದಲಾಗಲಿಲ್ಲವೇ? ಸಾಧಿಸುವ ಮನಸು ಬೇಕಷ್ಟೇ..

  4. Not A Witty Nick Says:

    All the more the reason to change your subscription to Kannada Prabha/Udaya Vani :-)

    BTW, his name is N R Narayana Murthy … It’s never been cut short or replaced by a pet name (of a naayi/illi, like Jerry :P ), in spite of his business and love with USA.

    BTW, when did we last hear our JnanapeeTha laureate Girish Karnad give an interview in Kannada? He too like NRN speaks to Kannada News Channels in English! And I believe he too has an opinion about inviting NRN to inaugurate Vi. Ka. Sa.

  5. Dr. Sree Reddy Says:

    India should look at some East asian and European countries. Where they learn everything in their first languages and they have made tremendous progress in various fields.
    Some policy makers are blind to this aspect.
    When will we stop saying that we must master English at the cost of one’s mother tongue, in order to develop?
    Should we ignore our own Indian languages?
    Cant we master an Indian lge and English together?

  6. 'mudi'malnad Says:

    even if NRN spends 0.1% of his wealth[&mind] on preserving kannda in general and kannada software and font developement in particular, that can be of great service to language[sorry I'm thinking in kannada and writing in english!]

  7. AC Says:

    He should learn from Aishwarya Rai! She has given an interview to Kannada Prabha!!

  8. Deepak Says:

    @ವಸಂತ Please don’t mislead, he has never said that “Kannada is fit for lighter stuff”, either you have not read the interview or deliberately misquoting.

  9. My3 Says:

    I don’t understand what the problem is? Mr NRN is a true son of the soil. He has based his company in Karnataka. He has been asked to open a Kannada Sammelana. How many of these do we have every year? I have never lived in Karnataka, I do not read or write in Kannada. But I always regard myself as a Kannadiga. I go by that title even in the US. He speaks the language, he writes the language and we all hate on him for what? It is easy to say Japan and China teach in the vernacular, but they each as a country have only ONE language. What language do we want our children to be educated in? Tamil in TN, Kannada in Karnataka…? How do we all talk to each other? We should have a common language. So at what point do you decide that children should start learning Hindi to talk to each other and when do they start talking in English?

    How about starting with a list of things we should be doing to better all the children instead of snide remarks about the unsuitability of NRN to open one of the many Kannada Samelanas??

  10. Thgts Says:

    Why is Churmuri not in Kannada? :) huh…it happens only in Karnataka i guess..empty pride abt the language but no significant contributions to the lives of kannadigas takes Karnataka nowhere..i am not sure if it can be more insane than disowning a fellow kannadiga…wish better sense prevails…

  11. richardw Says:

    @mudi – why ? why should he (or any other corporate honcho) do that ? A’int the “Kannada Development Authority” enough ? (Again, which I assume is funded by the tax payers money).

  12. 'mudi'malnad Says:

    @richardw
    There is department of health too look upon on the health of citizens!. Do you go to PHC if you are sick?
    Obiviously you don’t know how much politics is involved in selecting those people to KDA & KaSaPa. If it was ‘right’ful selection there is hope.
    I said ‘IF’ he spends, and he is in a position [can afford] to do so unlike me[&U?]. Do you know how much they allocate to KDA!. Just enough for staff’s TA and DA [and gutadha car]
    Those who have sense of obligation [RUNA, annadha runa, janmadha runa] they do. like Buffet, Gates,our own Sachin and Premji. Have you heard of ‘baraha’ vasu?, he is working to develop kannada font since many years. No body told him to spend his own money and time to develop a kannada font. HE WANTS TO DO IT FOR SAKE OF A LANGUAGE and CULTURE!. If people like Vasu can do it why not NRN?

  13. Bharath Byregowda Says:

    This article is grossly misleading. The author of this article has not exerted diligence and has reported false information. Prajavani has reported clearly that NRN gave a special interview to Prajavani. http://bit.ly/gFjWTN. The author has not even read the newspaper links that he himself has posted in the article!

  14. twistleton Says:

    My3 speaks sooth.

  15. RAGAVAN Says:

    It so happens that in India there are 25 plus official languages at the last count . There is a different official language of the state after every few hundred kms . In many other countries , there is only one language spoken and so it is easy to have the same language at school , college , government level etc . In India , if you study in your mother tongue only at school , college level with out learning English the future is doomed . That is why in all states in India , there is more and more demand for English medium schools and even daily wage earners want to put their children in English medium school .
    For central government staff and others in Private sector who face transfer after every few years to other states , it will be a difficult task to educate their children in a different language every few years if they educate their children in their mother tongue only .
    In Tamilnadu , despite the bait of guaranteed government jobs on priority for those who complete graduation in Tamil MEDIUM , there are only a few takers in engineering , arts and science courses as people are aware there is very little growth in government jobs financially or job satisfaction wise .
    It is also to be pointed out that if this web site is only in kannada , its popularity would be restricted to only Kannada knowing persons only .
    I also suggest that the comments in this site in kannada may pl. be translated to English also .
    If you study only in mother toungue , you will be a frog in a well .

  16. Alok Says:

    @My3

    You must understand, the average commenter here is completely useless and most of them haven’t achieved a single useful thing in their lives.

    Of course there are thoughtful and sane people like you (among many) who see this is a place for discussion and debate, but for for the majority of internet Indians, blogs such as these are paces to vent their frustration at their own impotence.

    NRN’s an easy target.

    See, he’s middle class, he cares about doing the right thing, he’s earnest, but most galling of all, he seems to have actually run a business without being an outright criminal. So the accusations of “code-factory”, “tax-break-industry”, “locals-haters”, et al. are made because we cannot abide someone who’s honest AND successful.

    It’s so much easier to attribute lack of achievement in our lives to absence of a vice (aha, that itself is an achievement!) than the absence of a virtue, so if anyone has precisely those virtues necessary to succeed, and glory be!, succeeds, it magnifies one’s own failures so much more.

    Besides, NRN doesn’t own half the media. The resentment and hatred obvious in these comments is very neatly reflected by a media looking for an easy target to polish its allegedly anti-corporate credentials. At least that part of the media that claims anti-corporate credentials but doesn’t have the credibility or the ability to critique the likes of an Ambani or a Birla or any of the families who own most of this country. The Ambani brothers could wipe their arses with India flags every day and display these flags in public and not one peep will be raised.

  17. Sanjeeva Says:

    I want to make an important point. In my office there are several people from other states, who are here for more than a decade. None of them have ever uttered a single word in kannada. They say – how can we learn Kannada, when none of YOU Kannadigas speak to us in Kannada. Each one of you, whether an officer, middle level clerk or attender – speak to us in all languages Hindi, Tamil, Telugu, even broken English, except Kannada. And you expect us to speak in Kannada! First you speak in Kannada and then teach the rest of us, who are outsiders. The moral is Kannada is spread, grown, developed not by Murthys, Mallyas, Rais or even literary giants, but middle and lower level people. In Bangalore, how many shop keepers, vendors, vegetable sellers speak in Kannada? Even if one speaks to them in Kannada, most of them reply in Hindi, Tamil and Telugu, because they are used to it. Criticizing NRN is barking at the wrong tree.

  18. RAGAVAN Says:

    I have lived in Bangalore for many years in 1980s .
    Whenever I am in Bangalore , I am fond of speaking in kannada but local kannada speakers in shops , offices , neighbours speak to me in Tamil automatically or english .
    The case in Madras is different . If I start ialking in Tamil among my relatives / friends , many break into English even during normal course after a few lines . If I speak in Tamil to others like auto drivers ., bus conductors , they speak the typical Madras Tamil which has a bad word after every few sentence .I am comfortable in Bombay where even if I again try Marati , people start speaking in Hindi .

    I am frequent traveller all over India and some times , I tend to speak in Hindi / Kannada in Madras / vellore and surprice surprice , shop keepers / autowallas also respond in Broken Hindi . Some shop keepers speak Kannada also . Now a days , one can see many waiters in Madras SPEAKING ENGLISH AS THEY ARE FROM nORTH EASTERN STATES .

  19. Vasant Says:

    ಬೆಳಗಾವಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ವಿಶ್ವ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನಕ್ಕೆ ಇನ್ನೇನು ಹೊತ್ತು ಎಣಿಕೆ ಶುರುವಾಗಿದೆ. ನಾಟಕ, ಕವನ ವಾಚನ, ಗಮಕ ವಾಚನ, ಕುಣಿತ, ಹಾಡುಗಾರಿಕೆ ಸೇರಿದಂತೆ ನಾಡಿನ ಕಲೆ, ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಪ್ರದರ್ಶನಕ್ಕೆ ಅದ್ದೂರಿ ಸಾಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಕ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮಗಳನ್ನು ಹಮ್ಮಿಕೊಳ್ಳಲಾಗಿದೆ ಅನ್ನುತ್ತೆ ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನದ ವೆಬ್ ಸೈಟ್ ಅಲ್ಲಿರೋ ಕರೆಯೋಲೆ. ಇದಲ್ಲದೇ, ಕೆಲವು ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ವಿಷಯಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚಾ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಯನ್ನು ಏರ್ಪಡಿಸಲಾಗಿದೆ ಅಂತಲೂ ಕಂಡೆ. ಕನ್ನಡ, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗ, ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಇತಿಹಾಸದಲ್ಲೆಂದೂ ಕಂಡಿರದಂತಹ ಸವಾಲುಗಳನ್ನು ಎದುರಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಜಾಗತೀಕರಣದ ನಂತರದ ಈ ದಿನಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಇಂತಹ ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನಗಳು ಹೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಮಹತ್ವ ಪಡೆದಿವೆ ಕೂಡಾ. ಈ ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕದ, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ನಾಳೆಗಳನ್ನು ಕಟ್ಟಲು ಆಗಬೇಕಾದ ಕೆಲಸಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ, ಇವತ್ತು ನಾವೆಲ್ಲಿದೀವಿ, ಈ ದಿನ ನಮ್ಮೆದುರು ಇರುವ ಸವಾಲುಗಳೇನು, ನಾವು ಸಾಗಬೇಕಾದ ದಾರಿ ಯಾವುದು, ಎಂತದ್ದು ಎಂಬಿತ್ಯಾದಿ ವಿಷಯಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚಿಸುವ, ಹೊಸ ದಿಕ್ಕು,ದೆಸೆ ನೀಡುವ ವೇದಿಕೆಯಾಗುತ್ತೆ ಅನ್ನುವುದು ನನ್ನ ನಿರೀಕ್ಷೆಯಾಗಿತ್ತು, ಆದರೆ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮದ ಪಟ್ಟಿ ನೋಡಿದಾಗ ಕೆಲ ಮಟ್ಟಿಗೆ ನಿರಾಸೆಯಾಗಿದೆ ಅಂತಲೇ ಹೇಳಬೇಕು. ಜ್ಞಾನಾಧಾರಿತ ಹೊಸ ಜಗತ್ತಿನ ಸವಾಲುಗಳನ್ನು ಎದುರಿಸಿ ಗೆಲ್ಲಲು ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ಕಲಿಕೆ, ದುಡಿಮೆಯ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಗಳನ್ನು ಆದ್ಯತೆಯ ಮೇರೆಗೆ ಚೆನ್ನಾಗಿ ಕಟ್ಟಿಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕಾದ ತುರ್ತು ಅಗತ್ಯ ನಮ್ಮ ಮುಂದಿದೆ. ಆದರೆ ಕಾರ್ಯಕ್ರಮದ ಪಟ್ಟಿ ನೋಡಿದ್ರೆ, ಈ ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನ ಹೊಟ್ಟೆಗೆ ಹಿಟ್ಟಿನ ವಿಷಯಗಳಿಗಿಂತ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಜುಟ್ಟಿನ ಮಲ್ಲಿಗೆಯ ವಿಷಯಗಳತ್ತಲೇ ಗಮನ ಹರಿಸಿದೆಯೆನೋ ಅನ್ನುವಂತಿದೆ !

    ಏನಿದೆ?
    ಹಾಗಂತ, ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನದಲ್ಲಿ ಪ್ರಯೋಜನವಾಗುವಂತಹ ವಿಷಯಗಳೇ ಇಲ್ಲ ಅಂತಿಲ್ಲ. ಜಾಗತೀಕರಣ, ಮಾರುಕಟ್ಟೆ ಮತ್ತು ಯುವಕರ ಮೇಲೆ ಬೀರಿರುವ ಪ್ರಭಾವದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಜಾಗತೀಕರಣ ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಅನ್ನುವ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿ, ಗಡಿನಾಡಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ಶಿಕ್ಷಣ ಸವಾಲುಗಳು, ಸಾಮಾಜಿಕ, ಸಾಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಕ ಸ್ಥಿತಿಗತಿಗಳ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಬೆಳಕು ಚೆಲ್ಲುವ ಗಡಿನಾಡ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರು ಅನ್ನುವ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿ, ಕನ್ನಡ ತಂತ್ರಾಂಶ, ವಿಜ್ಞಾನ ಶಿಕ್ಷಣದಂತಹ ವಿಷಯಗಳ ಬಗೆಗಿನ ಜ್ಞಾನ-ವಿಜ್ಞಾನ-ತಂತ್ರಜ್ಞಾನ-ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಅನ್ನುವ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿ, ಆಡಳಿತದಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡ ಬಳಕೆ ಬಗೆಗಿನ ಕನ್ನಡ ಭಾಷಾ ಬಳಕೆ ಅನ್ನುವ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿ, ಕೃಷಿ ರಂಗ ಎದುರಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಸವಾಲುಗಳ ಬಗೆಗಿನ ಕೃಷಿ-ಸಾಧನೆ ಸವಾಲು ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಗಳು ಈ ಕಾಲಮಾನಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರಸ್ತುತವೆನ್ನಿಸುವಂತಹ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಗಳಾಗಿವೆ. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಪಾಲ್ಗೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಿರುವವರು ಅಷ್ಟೇ ಯೋಗ್ಯರು ಅನ್ನುವುದು ಕೂಡಾ ಗಮನಿಸಬೇಕಾದದ್ದು.

    ಏನ್ ಇರಬೇಕಾಗಿತ್ತು ?
    ಕವಿ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿ, ಹಾಸ್ಯ, ನಾಟಕ, ಸಂಗೀತದಂತಹ ವಿಷಯಗಳನ್ನು ಬಿಟ್ಟು ಚಿಂತನೆಗೆ ಹಚ್ಚುವ ಚರ್ಚಾ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಗಳತ್ತ ನೋಡಿದಾಗ ಕಾಣೋದು ಸುಮಾರು 16 ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಗಳು. ಇವುಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರ ಭವಿಷ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ಬುನಾದಿ ಹಾಕಬೇಕಾದ ಕಲಿಕೆಗೆ ಸಂಬಂಧಿಸಿದಂತೆ ಇರೋದು ಒಂದೇ ಒಂದು ಗೋಷ್ಟಿ, ಅದರಲ್ಲೂ ತಾಯ್ನುಡಿ ಶಿಕ್ಷಣದ ಮಹತ್ವ, ಇವತ್ತು ಅದು ಯಾವ ಹಂತದಲ್ಲಿದೆ, ಜಾಗತೀಕರಣದ ಸ್ಪರ್ಧೆಗೆ ಸಜ್ಜುಗೊಳಿಸಲು ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ ಆಗಬೇಕಾದ ಸುಧಾರಣೆಗಳೇನು, ಬದುಕಿನ ಎಲ್ಲ ಹಂತದ ವಿದ್ಯೆಯನ್ನು ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲಿ ತರಲು ಆಗಬೇಕಾದ ಕೆಲಸಗಳೇನು ಅನ್ನುವ ವಿಷಯವೇನೂ ಚರ್ಚೆಯ ಅಜೆಂಡಾದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲ. ಜಗತ್ತಿನ ಮುಂಚೂಣಿಲ್ಲಿರುವ ಎಲ್ಲ ದೇಶಗಳು ತಮ್ಮ ಏಳಿಗೆಗೆ ಏಣಿಯಾಗಿಸಿಕೊಂಡಿರುವುದು ತಮ್ಮ ತಾಯ್ನುಡಿಯನ್ನು. ಮಕ್ಕಳ ಬುದ್ದಿ ವಿಕಾಸಕ್ಕೆ ತಾಯ್ನುಡಿ ಕಲಿಕೆಗಿಂತ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಹಾದಿಯಿಲ್ಲ ಅನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ಜಗತ್ತು ಸಾರಿ ಸಾರಿ ಹೇಳಿದೆ. ತಮ್ಮ ತಮ್ಮ ತಾಯ್ನುಡಿಯನ್ನು ಜಾಗತೀಕರಣದ ಸವಾಲುಗಳನ್ನು ಎದುರಿಸಲು ಸಜ್ಜುಗೊಳಿಸಿದ ಎಲ್ಲ ದೇಶಗಳು ಏಳಿಗೆ ಸಾಧಿಸಿ ಮುನ್ನಡೆದಿದ್ದರೆ, ಅಂತಹದೊಂದು ಕನಸು ಕಾಣುವುದೇ ಅಪರಾಧ, ಅದು ಎಂದಿಗೂ ಸಾಧ್ಯವಿಲ್ಲ ಅನ್ನುವ ಆತ್ಮಹತ್ಯಾ ಭಾವ ಆವರಿಸಿಕೊಂಡಿರುವ ಭಾರತದಂತಹ ದೇಶ, ಏಳಿಗೆ ಹೊಂದಿರುವ ದೇಶದ ಬ್ಯಾಕ್ ಆಫೀಸ್ ನಂತೆ ಕೆಲಸ ಮಾಡುತ್ತ ಒಂದಿಷ್ಟು ಸರ್ವಿಸಸ್ ನ ಪುಡಿಗಾಸು ಸಂಪಾದಿಸಿಕೊಂಡು, ಅದನ್ನೇ ಏಳಿಗೆ ಎಂದು ನಂಬಿ, ಸಮಾಜವನ್ನು ನಂಬಿಸುವಂತಹ ದಡ್ಡತನ ತೋರಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆ. ಹೀಗೆ ಹುಟ್ಟುತ್ತಿರುವ ಪುಡಿಗಾಸಿಗೆ ಕಾರಣವಾಗಿರುವ ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಒಂದೇ ನಮ್ಮನ್ನು ನಮ್ಮ ಬಡತನದಿಂದ, ದಾರಿದ್ರ್ಯದಿಂದ, ಕಷ್ಟದಿಂದ ಪಾರು ಮಾಡುವ ಕಾಮಧೇನು ಅನ್ನುವ ಕೆಲವು ಪ್ರಭಾವಿಗಳ ನಂಬಿಕೆಗಳು ತಾಯ್ನುಡಿ ಶಿಕ್ಷಣವನ್ನು ಮೇಲೆತ್ತುವ, ಅದರಲ್ಲಿ ಅನ್ನದ ವಿದ್ಯೆ ತರುವ, ಆ ಮೂಲಕ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ದುಡಿಮೆ ಹುಟ್ಟಿಸುವ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಗೆ ಅಡಿಪಾಯ ಹಾಕಬೇಕಿದ್ದ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ದಿಕ್ಕು ತಪ್ಪಿಸುತ್ತಿದೆ ಅಂದರೆ ತಪ್ಪಾಗದು.

    ಕನ್ನಡ ನುಡಿಯ ಯೋಗ್ಯತೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಸುವುದು ಯಾವಾಗ?
    ಇನ್ನೂ ಕನ್ನಡ ನುಡಿಯಲ್ಲಾಗಬೇಕಾದ ಸುಧಾರಣೆ ಬಗ್ಗೆಯೂ ಯಾವ ಚರ್ಚೆಯೂ ಏರ್ಪಟ್ಟಿಲ್ಲ. ಜ್ಞಾನ-ವಿಜ್ಞಾನದ ಸಾರವನ್ನು ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಿಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲೇ ತರಲು ನಮ್ಮ ನುಡಿ ಸಿದ್ಧವಾಗಿದೆಯೇ? ಪ್ರಾಥಮಿಕ ಹಂತದಿಂದ ಉನ್ನತ ಶಿಕ್ಷಣದವರೆಗೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ಹಂತದಲ್ಲೂ ಹಂತ ಹಂತವಾಗಿ ಒಳ್ಳೆಯ ಕಲಿಕೆ ತರಲು ನಮ್ಮ ನುಡಿಯ ಸುತ್ತ ಭಾಷಾ ವಿಜ್ಞಾನದ ಕಣ್ಣಿನಿಂದ ಆಗಬೇಕಾದ ಕೆಲಸಗಳೇನು? ಇಂತಹ ಕೆಲಸಗಳಿಗೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಪ್ರತಿಭಾವಂತ ಹುಡುಗರನ್ನು ಸೆಳೆಯುವುದು ಹೇಗೆ? ಅಂತಹದೊಂದು ವಾತಾವರಣ (eco-system) ಕಟ್ಟುವುದರಲ್ಲಿ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ, ವಿಶ್ವವಿದ್ಯಾಲಯಗಳ, ಶಿಕ್ಷಣ ತಜ್ಞರ, ಭಾಷಾ ವಿಜ್ಞಾನಿಗಳ ಪಾತ್ರವೇನು ಅನ್ನುವ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚೆ ನಡೆದಿದ್ದಲ್ಲಿ, ಕನ್ನಡಕ್ಕೆ ಇವತ್ತು ಇಲ್ಲದಿರುವ ಕೆಲವು ಯೋಗ್ಯತೆ ತಂದು ಕೊಡುವ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಜವಾದ ಅರ್ಥದಲ್ಲಿ ಕೆಲಸ ಶುರುವಾಗಿದೆ ಅನ್ನಬಹುದಿತ್ತು. ನಮ್ಮ ನುಡಿಗೆ ಯೋಗ್ಯತೆ ತಂದುಕೊಡದೇ ನಮ್ಮ ವೈಫಲ್ಯತೆಗೆ ಜಾಗತೀಕರಣವನ್ನು ಬೈದು ಏನು ಪ್ರಯೋಜನವಾಗದು.

    ಉದ್ದಿಮೆಗಾರಿಕೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಸುವುದು ಹೇಗೆ?
    ಉದ್ಯಮಿ ನಾರಾಯಣ ಮೂರ್ತಿಯವರನ್ನು ಕರೆಸುತ್ತಿರುವುದದಿಂದ ಚರ್ಚಾ ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಉದ್ದಿಮೆಗಾರಿಕೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಹೆಚ್ಚಿನ ಗಮನ ಹರಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆನೋ ಅಂದುಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದೆ. ಉದ್ಯಮಿಯೊಬ್ಬರು ಈ ಸಭೆಗೆ ಚಾಲನೆ ನೀಡುತ್ತಿರುವುದದಿಂದ ಉದ್ದಿಮೆಗಾರಿಕೆ, ಉದ್ಯಮಿಗಳಾಗುವುದು, ಉದ್ಯಮಗಳನ್ನು ಕಟ್ಟುವುದು ಹೀಗೆ ಉದ್ದಿಮೆಗಾರಿಕೆಯ ನಾನ ಮಝಲನ್ನು ಮುಟ್ಟುವ, ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರಲ್ಲಿ ಈ ಕೊರತೆಯನ್ನು ನೀಗಿಸುವ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಚರ್ಚೆ ನಡೆಸುವ ಅವಕಾಶವಿತ್ತು. ಗೋಷ್ಟಿಗಳ ಪಟ್ಟಿ ನೋಡಿದಾಗ ಈ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಗಮನ ಕೊಟ್ಟ ಹಾಗಿಲ್ಲ.

    ನಾಳೆ ನಮ್ಮದಾಗಲಿ
    ಕನ್ನಡವೆಂದರೆ ಬರೀ ಸಾಹಿತ್ಯ, ಸಂಗೀತ, ನಾಟಕ,ಸಿನೆಮಾ ಅನ್ನುವ ಜುಟ್ಟಿನ ಮಲ್ಲಿಗೆಗೆ ಸೀಮಿತವಾಗಿರುವಾಗ, ಅದರಲ್ಲೂ ಬದುಕಿನ ವಿದ್ಯೆಗಳನ್ನು ತರಬಹುದು, ಅದರಲ್ಲೂ ಅನ್ನ ಹುಟ್ಟಿಸಬಹುದು ಅನ್ನುವುದನ್ನು ಸಾಧಿಸಿ ತೋರಿಸುವ ಹೊಣೆಗಾರಿಕೆ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಕನಸು ಕಾಣುವ ಎಲ್ಲ ಕನ್ನಡದ ಯುವಕರ ಮುಂದಿದೆ. ಇವತ್ತಿನ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯನ್ನು ಅಲ್ಲಗಳೆಯದೆಲೆ ಇಂದಿನ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯ ಸಾರವನ್ನು ಹೀರಿಕೊಂಡೇ ನಾಳೆ ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲೂ ಈಗಿರುವುದಕ್ಕಿಂತಲೂ ಅದ್ಭುತವಾದ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ಕಟ್ಟುವ ಕೆಲಸವಾಗಬೇಕಿದೆ. ಇಂದಿರುವ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯನ್ನು ಚಿಮ್ಮುಹಲಗೆಯಾಗಿಸಿಕೊಂಡೇ ಆಗಸಕ್ಕೆ ನೆಗೆಯುವ ಕನಸು ಕಾಣಬೇಕಿದೆ. ಅದಾಗದೇ ಎಷ್ಟು ಸಮ್ಮೇಳನ, ಸಭೆ ಮಾಡಿದರೂ ಕನ್ನಡ ಮುಂದಾಗದು.

  20. Vasant Says:

    @Deepak,

    I am quoting a line of NRN from PV:
    ವಿಜ್ಞಾನ ಮತ್ತು ತಂತ್ರಜ್ಞಾನದ ವಿಷಯಕ್ಕೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಪುಸ್ತಕಗಳೇ ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಆಪ್ತವಾಗುತ್ತವೆ. ಯಾವ ವಿಷಯವನ್ನು ಯಾವ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ವ್ಯವಹರಿಸಿದರೆ ಸೂಕ್ತ ಎಂಬುದು ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಗುತ್ತದೆ.

    What does the above line mean? Kannada is fit for lighter stuff and can never be a preferred carrier of knowledge?

  21. maisuru Says:

    @ Alok: You must understand, the average commenter here is completely useless and most of them haven’t achieved a single useful thing in their lives…………..

    ????????

  22. Complex Says:

    @Alok

    I second you

  23. K.Balasubrahmanyan Says:

    Pity that narrow mindedness has belittled Narayanamurthy.His stature is good enough to preside over the function and it is an honour to kanndigas.When do we get over our pride in language to bring down our own stalwarts bala

  24. devaraj urs Says:

    It is unfortunate that NRN is being targetted. What other qualifications are required for getting kannadiga status ? My only plea with all those who oppose NRN to request the Government to collect data regarding the details of kannada lovers who have sent their children to english schools and preach others to ensure that their children are saved from the competition. Recent write up in indian express about the sudden mushrooming of 660 engineering colleges in Andhra Pradesh and poor families are craving to give good education to their children which was denied to them for varios reasons is an indication that people should restrain from preaching . Let us hope that these statistics will put an end to debate.

  25. Arun Says:

    The notion that English shouldn’t, needn’t and probably won’t displace local languages seems natural to me. We have Living Languages despite all the cultural onslaught and Indians’ apathy.

    @Ragavan
    If you study only in mother toungue , you will be a frog in a well .
    No one here is arguing that we study only in “mother toungue”. Your argument is based on gas.

    It was not till Bill Clinton visited India and lectured us about ‘Digital Divide’ that we woke up to the concern. But only the MNCs acted on it.

    Wherever MNCs go, they are used to taking their message to local audience. What people like you are saying is, “there is nothing local here. We abandoned it long ago. Just dish us out in English and we will slurp it like they slurp sambhar in Madurai”.

  26. Dr. Sree Reddy Says:

    Japan has ‘one langauage. But China has many languages but use only one language as official language and recognizes other languages too.
    Only in some new areas people dont speak in Kannada. Otherwise, mosyt people speak Kannada. Please stop saying as if ordinary vendors speak in Tamil and English and other languages.
    I have spoken to most Tamilian/ Telugu shop keepers in Kannada all my life. They all speak kannada. If you speak Kannada, they also speak in Kannada.
    What is the medium of education at Muddenahalli school?

  27. Deepak Says:

    @Vasant – friend, where does it say Kannada is fit for lighter stuff?? Looks you lot has been lost in translation.
    He has clearly said that for technology, English book are more suitable, which is true. Can you tell me the names of any book on programming in Kannada which is popular? Answer is no, because it is natural that people prefer English books for technology – which is what NRN has said. And definitely he has not said anything about Kannada books in that line, it is your interpretation!!!

  28. shanoi Says:

    Having born before independence, in the twilight years of fighting for freedom we had a great enthusiam for use and development of Kannada. So also, I am not heistant to say we wanted Hindi or Hindustanti to be national language. I still purchase kannada books and read kannada mags. But have we all of us done any thing for Kannada. Has the language grown. A few years ago i went to an exhibiton arranged in national college ground. there were hardly any books in Kananda in IT, Bio, FM etc which are the growing subjects. Not many in science subject. Not many books in Vocational trades also. Qulaity books very few
    I have all the volumes of English Kananda Dictionary published by University of Mysore. But I had to collect them over a period 20 years. I think it had a troubled existance both in staffing and finance. I think for sometime it is defunct. Correct me if I am wrong
    On the other hand Oxford University Press brings out new editions every year. It incorporates at least a thousand new words every year. it has dicitionaries catering to each specialisation
    As an Engineer I try to explain certain things in Kannada to my workers. But most of the time I am at a loss to do it effectively
    I am not going into controversy. i am presenting my problem as a common man how else will Kannada usage grow unless we cultivate alround development for it?

  29. Dr. Sree Reddy Says:

    Why dont specialists in IT, BT etc etc areas translate works from English into Kannada(Indian languages)? In translation some English words if required can be retained and translated. Is there any effort by individuals, or govt, IT companies in that direction?
    Indian languages are still in use. dissemination of information can be spread thru regional languages faster.
    How many in India have access to English education and how many are fluent ?
    Translation Authority/ Agency should be set up to translate latest works into Indian languages……

  30. richardw Says:

    @mudi –
    First thing, No personal attacks.

    BTW, Neevu yaakey maadabeku antha keLidakkey, bari ‘ruNa’ da bagge maathadidra. Thaavu infosys foundation baggey keLilladey idre, ee website nodi – http://www.infosys.com/infosys_foundation/index.htm Infosys foundation enella maadidey antha gottagatthey.

    Public toilets maintainance ninda hididu kannada font development ge contribute maadu thanka keLodu is a bit too much ! Elladakku goverment sari illa, adilla idilla admaadalla idmaadalla.. KDA iddru infy maadlee antha idree, govt. sari hogodu yaavaga swamy?

    Koneyadaagi, eegaagale sammeLana mugididey. Sri. NRN avara bhaashaNa nangeno chennagey itthu, avaranna karediddakey, sammeLanakkey enu dhakkey baralilla antha nanna anisikey.

  31. gagan Says:

    I agree and disagree with NRN.

    AGREE: during SM Krishna’s time, he pressed for giving education to poor children in the language which their parents wish to. This is very much right view. At last, check all these Kannada activist’s children and grand children – they all are studying / studied in English medium and international schools. But they ask the poor people to study in Kannada schools. This creates a big divide. During Kumaraswamy’s time, he tried to make english as a subject, but the Kannada activists protested as if the govt. was totally changing to english medium.

    DISAGREE: kannada balagondare, kannadiganigoo bala! if kannada becomes strong, kannadiga will also be strong. But, what has NRN done to strengthen kannada till now? There is some error in his thinking… if kannada becomes strong, kannadiga will also become strong. But but… how will kannada become strong without kannadiga being strong?

    LARGER QUESTION: i read some comments on imparting education in kannada. This is a larger problem for which NRN alone cannot give a solution. He will naturally think about the short term solutions to suit the needs of today’s life.

    What has happened with Kannada is that, majority of literature is one stories, poems etc. There have been less efforts to bring technical subjects , science in Kannada. The problem lies with the policy of Government. All the text books of kannada will draw their source from larger authentic works like encyclopedia. Shivarama Karanth wrote an encyclopedia for children.

    The need now is for giving works to various universities like Mysore Univ, Dharwad, Hampi, Kuvempu etc to undertake the work of CREATING KNOWLEDGE in Kannada. The govt. should also give more funds to institutes like CIIL to undertake the work of translation. Technical universities like VTU, RGHUS should collaborate with traditional universities in bringing out authentic translations of technical books. IISc should also collaborate in translating basic sciences books in Kannada. Once the basic sources are high in number, other authors will be attracted to write mini books by taking the information from these basic sources. This is the first step to be done. This is like laying a foundation.

    Then the next work should be to introduce all technical courses in Kannada too (MBBS, BE, MBA etc). (All universities in Karnataka have allowed writing LLB exams in kannada, but do you know that there are no good law books in Kannada?) Now, what we are asking is for kannada medium courses, without having any text books on them!! So, first work is translation. This translation work will require senior researchers / professors’ guidance along with the assistance of youngsters. Thousands of MA Kannada / English / Linguistics graduates will be required for this work. As a preliminary step, we need to create a lot of linguistic graduates who can take up the work of translation. Students who study these courses in Kannada should be equally competent in English.

    If these courses are available in Kannada and no demand in market, no one will go for it. So , the next work for the government will be to create a demand for kannada professionals. Government should fund the open source projects and translate all major open source projects like open office to Kannada.

    The Karnataka govt is the biggest potential for this demand. Whenever govt. departments go for new projects or project implementation, it should be done in Kannada. This will create a demand for these kannada professionals. Kannada abhivruddhi praadhikaara should be given powers to prosecute and suspend officials for non-use of kannada. If RICH KNOWLEDGE is available in Kannada, no person (kannadiga or non-kannadiga) will look down upon kannada. In fact, people will feel proud and will love to learn kannada. Today, many people learn sanskrit, because that gives the knowledge of all indian languages. The same way, kannada should have worth literature in it, and it should be widely used , so that every person will think of learning kannada.

    I look to a day when foreigners / outsiders coming to Karnataka will take up crash courses to learn kannada during their karnataka visit. Will this day come?

    More than NRN, there was a larger responsibility on the government to choose a suitable person. There were other kannadigas who made a global impact much better than NRN. And we need to blame the govt for choosing a wrong person! Government has also erred in the development of kannada in computers. That too is the wrong of our government.

  32. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    Just watched NRN speak on You Tube. He is not a trained public speaker, and, therefore, it would be ungenerous to find fault with his delivery. He was nervous, reading a ghosted speech with words he would never need to use on a daily basis. Yet there were moments in those twelve minutes when he did sound like a Kannadiga, especially when he scolded the audience for their lack of listening discipline.

    No, he wasn’t the best choice for inaugurating the silly sammelana. He is a transnationalist capitalist. But I was touched by his awkwardly pronounced concern for the least among us living without basic ameneties and enough food. I am glad that he is doing what he can to alleviate the inhumane conditions.

  33. 'mudi'malnad Says:

    @richardw
    Bottomline: Kannada ooliya bekadhare yaradru obbaru athava samsthe sarathya vahisabeku!
    bekkige ghante kattoru yaaru?
    Eegina KDA/sarakara/rajakaraneegallanna nodidre, avarinda kannadadha oolivu bari kanasu.
    I have great respect for NRN and Sudhakka. Sudhakka is a great & intelligent person. She is very selective in what she does. I had few occasions to interact with her in the past and you can learn few things about life too. I know about infosys foundation.[ I have my own opinion which is not necessary here]

    Nandan Nilekeni in his book’imagining india’writes how trade & business improved once they developed hindi software for farmers transction in UP and Bihar. Until we develop a business model for transactions for a day to day business is kannada, kannada will not survive in present IT scenario[just FYI,there is no kannada version google news, other languages have their version since last four or five years. Can we send SMS in Kannada? I don't know ]..Right now only person who has money and access to that kind of man power to do that is NRN.

  34. Sanjeeva Says:

    Dr. Sree Reddy – Obviously you are not residing in Bangalore or Mysore!

  35. Dr. Sree Reddy Says:

    @ Sanjeeva
    What is so obvious about my residence…?
    Bengaluuru is my hometown.

  36. Ezhil Says:

    @gagan
    how can it be possible without any root words ? ViKaSa itself having sanskrit words.
    Vishwa,Sammelana,bhaashe –>Sanskrit. Is there any word in pure kannada for “language”

    To translate a large extent of knowledge we need more words to be created.here comes the problem sanskritization.
    look at the comment by kiran rao bhatni

    http://karnatique.blogspot.com/2010/06/tamil-kannada-and-middle-path.html#comments

    //BTW, Karnataka tried implementing Univ education in Kannada the 70′s, mainly out of Mysore University. However, there were serious flaws in the approach taken by the Univ, such as: too much use of Sanskrit (which made English look better), looking at Kannada implementation as a secondary or tertiary activity in the business of the Univ., etc. //

  37. DailyBread Says:

    @mudi malnad,

    http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/vanita-kohli-khandekarmysterymissing-indian-languages/428456/

  38. twistleton Says:

    @Ezhil,

    interesting arguments, and i agree with the sankritization part- the only kannada word in vishwa kannada sammelana is kannada :D

    But when it comes to technical and further education in Tamil or any other regional language, there are two riders:

    One, that a person learns atleast two other Indian languages (from opposite geographic regions, don’t want to learn Hindi, that’s fine, how about Oriya or Mizo or Bengali) apart from his/her regional one; otherwise how will Indians talk with each other?

    Second, until the wonderful day arrives when the world will learn Indian languages to communicate with Indians, we cannot replace higher education in English. It is just not practicable.

  39. My3 Says:

    What, no complaints about TMBWITW lighting the lamp wearing an “ethnic-outfit”? Where does Deccan Herald publish that wearing a saree is called an ethnic outfit. This has my goat.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/145721/dazzling-ethnic-avatar.html

  40. 'mudi'malnad Says:

    @DB,
    Interesting, that too dated 15th.
    According to the media, they have spent 40 crores on this sammelana.
    I don’t know who really benefitted from this???
    ..

  41. Ezhil Says:

    @twistleton
    Let us use english thats what we are doing now. english is used as common language across the world So options are expanded to whole world.

    Our bread and butter comes mostly from English in the sectors.
    1.IT /ITES/BPO
    2.Telecom (Products and inventions mostly in English)
    3. Apparel and Textile Exports (More buyers in West who are speaking in English)
    4.Most of the Exports related business happening in english only.

    When comes to Tamil the case is different as there are so much of root words. so they are creating words easily.

    But at the same time there are no new scientific inventions happening in Tamilnadu or Tamil,(similarly nothing in Hindi) So we are not able to grow towards scientific knowledge development in language level and name any thing as all the inventions happening in West and named in English.

    Its better to have english as a national language and for communication which will give more and more opportunities.
    Most of the private communications are happening in english only.
    We should accept the fact that if we are not inventing anything our language options are limited.

  42. Shailaja Says:

    How come you have included what you purport to be the “translated” versions of NRN’s interviews and not the “originals” of the same in English? You have made a very weak point, indeed. You are nit picking.

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