4 reasons why Jairam Ramesh is right about IITs

By BHAMY V. SHENOY

Union environment minister Jairam Ramesh has done a signal service to the IITs and IIMs by calling into question the “world-class” qualifications of their faculty

Jairam should know: he is himself an almunus of IIT Bombay, where his father Prof C.K. Ramesh was on the faculty of the structural engineering department.

However, instead of appreciating the minister for his candour and assessing how we can go about applying correctives, the alumni and faculty of many these institutions are up in arms. (We can easily excuse the politicians for their politically motivated comments.)

I agree with Jairam that IITs and IIMs are well known today because of the outstanding performance of their BTech students and not because of either their PhDs or research output or teaching faculties. Of course, there are few outstanding world-class professors at these institutes. But they are an exception and not the rule.

Before holding Ramesh guilty, can we try to get answers to the following questions?

1) Compared to even the second tier institutions in the world, how does the research performed by IITs and IIMs compare both in quality and quantity with other world-class institutions?

2) How many BTech alumni and MBA alumni with PhDs are professors in IITs and IIMs? We are likely to find far more of them in foreign countries than in India. Why? What does this say of the quality of IIT and IIM faculty?

3) Just about every government institution suffers from lack of proper management coupled with poor governance. What has been the efforts of the IIM faculty to study and contribute to their improvement? A world-class faculty would have taken such a challenge to contribute to India’s development.

4) Every one knows about India’s energy crisis. A world-class faculty would have taken up the challenge of contributing to this sector. Has any one heard of any great breakthroughs in energy sector by IITs?

I am an alumnus of IIT Madras and have worked in different parts of the world in the international oil industry.

My effort to promote an energy institute (most leading world class institutes have such institutes) did not get any support from the faculty members of IIT Madras. A world-class faculty would have established such energy study centres and many such critical centers of excellence a long time back.

I rest my case.

Also read: Why Tata Steel (and others) won’t recruit IITians

‘Mediocrity is fast becoming a way of life in India’

CHURUMURI POLL: Do our B-schools have a problem?

External reading: Forever third-class

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30 Responses to “4 reasons why Jairam Ramesh is right about IITs”

  1. philramble Says:

    I am a bit sad that the nation’s premier institutes of vocational and higher education have below-par faculty. Then again, the emphasis we place on syllabus-based learning even in such institutes and the lack of real, practical research and original engineering and innovation in our country has made us a supplier of talent to the world at best. The problem of brain drain has aggravated this too.

    What in your mind is the solution to this conundrum?

    I have even visited the so-called second tier institutes – the good engineering/technology colleges in the south of India and find that the quality of the students is high – approaching and in some cases exceeding that of the IITs. These students also don’t get the right faculty – but they know better than to depend on their faculty, rather than on their own resourcefulness.

  2. Srrinath Says:

    Food for thought.

    H.E Jayaram is know for his foot in the mouth syndrome, But he is not as bad a His Highness H.E. Digvijay Singh who is out right obnoxious.

    The point I am making is Jayaram is out spoken and at times kindles debate of the intellectual kind and at times very controversial.

    The point of IIM / IIT is very simple. These are no doubt out standing institutions but need to sharpen their approach. In the same breath I would like to state that we should not keep opening more IIM / IIT across India, but strengthen existing institutions.

    Also, most importantly the only criteria should be merit across the board. Period.

    One of the criteria could be each student passing out of these premier institutes should be made to devote one year, up on their successful completion in pure research at IIT or other institutions or teaching assignments (TA) at college levels to impart education especially in the rural areas while continuing their research. The students who pass out are creams and have to give back to the society. The cost of imparting education and the prestige it bestows should be reason enough for the mandatory one year of service back to society. Pl remember that Doctors are mandated to do rural posting / house surgency.

    Rgds

  3. Vijay Parsi Says:

    1. If the number of publications per year is somehow a measure of the research performed (at least quantitatively), then we are not even at par with our Chinese counterparts.

    2. Easy money. Straight forward bureaucracy.

    3. Bad bureaucracy.

    4. Will not act until affected.

    I agree that I have been blunt in my arguments but one must consider the fact that research, today, is more a question of luxury and not necessity. There are more than enough research facilities around the world doing things that are of least importance. At the end of the day, it sure does boil down to personal tastes and available government sanctions. United States invests close to a 100 billion dollars into R & D and India’s GDP is around a trillion dollars. Therefore, India, as a country just cannot afford to invest that kind of dough into fundamental research. However, what it can do is to invest a bit more into the applied sciences and develop the already existing methods. One must also remember that the western countries had an opportunity to start afresh in the beginning of last century, due to the war… whereas, India, was sort of left in a half-stirred state from where we neither couldn’t start new nor get back to our traditional systems and values. Therefore, collaboration is the only way out for the Indian institutes to be a part of the global race in industrialisation.

    Regarding the energy crisis, from my previous argument, it is would be considred scandalous for us to invest billions of rupees into solving (approaching) this issue. Especially because the probability of a high yield from this kind of research is extremely low. Instead, we must focus on investing in the already existing technologies such as solar cells and wind mills or just pray that someone comes up with an indigenous idea of converting all the garbage into usable energy.

  4. nilesh Says:

    which of our institutions are world beater. cftri boosts of 100 plus patents, yet they are unable to make money from these patents.

    We are a mediocre country.

  5. Stenny Sam Says:

    Dear friend (who commented above), we arent aliens who unfortunately have sereotyped ourselves as being bad. India has the best quality standards in education, the problem is we dont get enough of it at right pace and time. thats where we lose out to others.
    http://www.heading-forward.blogspot.com

  6. E.S.Shridhar Says:

    Jairam Ramesh has given us food for thought. Products of IITs and IIMs study for going to USA and not return to teach in these institutions
    However we can open up several centres of IIPC-Indian Institute of Politicking and Corruption For which have abundance of world class talents available for teaching what with their vast experience. A.Raja could be the Dir. Gen-Teaching and Administration

  7. the colonel Says:

    most if not all of you have come to the wrong conclusions by a very wide margin.

    as a country we need special skills added with the plight of poor financial resources. we are rich in traditional methods for solving problems at the village level which are as applicable in the national level.

    for example research done in US, UK have no applicability here.

    ask the ambanis, the tatas, the mahindras and they will tell you from which fountainspring they drink. why did larsen and his friend tuebro set up institutions in india. they were not british.

    lets take up IIT Madras, yes Madras (Bal thakeray could not change the name of the bombay stock exchange)its accomplishments are many but you are not aware of it. why drag the media in is a vey sound policy. In spite of ignorance of the financial magnates their solutions for green buildings is stupendous, and are being constructed and advantages multiplied eight to nine times by using our centuries old traditional raw materials.

    How do you store solar energy: Batteries you say. Some people use natural tanks to store water and pump up this water to natural dams available at heights above. at dusk the sluices are opened as per the required quantity and on hitting mine generators enough electricity is produced and more. some quantity of water is used for irrigation the rest flows back into the natural tanks for tomorrow. The TOTAL FUCK UP to these solutions are created by The State Electricity Boards under the tutelage of the super morons whom all of you worship as THE MIGHTY IAS.

    All of you use WinDoze. WHY. WHY. How does the internet work? Why does it Not Crash and need to be rebooted. Why are you not using linux.
    the solutions are all free. Only You Know.

    The WENKEL Engine, The CERAMIC engine, the horizontaly opposed pistons with with no head are not allowed to flourish. They are suppressed by oil companies. tHE CERAMIC ENGINE HAS NO LUBRICANT AND NO HEAT DISSIPATION.

    Many like me have contributed and our pioneers in various disciplines and most of us do not patent it in our names. For Many patents i have very cheerfully asked and accepted Re 1only. Their are two premier PSUs in bangalore. They were horrified at our asking rate. We were declared MAD by the Rascalams in Rasamland.

    THE LIST GOES ON AND ON> People like me have protected our Right to Free Speech. USE IT WISELY

    I have privelages with the libraries of IISc and TIFR. these are not easily earned but an Acknowledgement of Acheivements and Contributions.

    There is a lot of peace and acheivement in ANONYMITY.

    Good-Bye.

  8. the colonel Says:

    all of you have really got my goat.

    the 386 microchip—–AN INDIAN. It still persists in various avatars. who mints. INTEL INSIDE- IDIOT OUTSIDE. why not the AMD.

    when wirewrapping was the norm both for research and commercial exploitation; THE FASTEST GUN IN THE WEST WAS an INDIAN.

    Our most brilliant genuises are killed by the greed for money: the engineer on the national highways authority of india. what did you do??????????????????????????????

    You talk about India being the mother Of All Sciences. Then what happened in the interim. GO FIND OUT.

    Your acheivements : how much gold you have bought, how much dowry, how much and many properties you have. GO SEE A SHRINK.

    Haji Pir pass was taken three times in 47, 65, 71. Pakis were stunned when you gave it back.

    Have you really understood what the naval base attack was all about a few days back.

    the only thing we lack is VISION—-The ability to conceptualize.

  9. Dev D Says:

    Well done colonel.

  10. div Says:

    1) Compared to even the second tier institutions in the world, how does the research performed by IITs and IIMs compare both in quality and quantity with other world-class institutions?

    Compared to even the second tier insititutions in the world, how much endowment do IITs have? How much autonomy do they have? How many second tier institutes of the world are controlled by morons like Arjun SIngh?

    And if you want to compare IIT with Harvard, Harvard has $21 billion endowment. US cities have the potential attract almost anyone from anywhere in the world. WHo would want to come and live in Indian cities even if IITs are decent?

    2) How many BTech alumni and MBA alumni with PhDs are professors in IITs and IIMs? We are likely to find far more of them in foreign countries than in India. Why? What does this say of the quality of IIT and IIM faculty?

    UCLA pays 400K per annum so that Terrence Tao (arguably one of the greatest mathematicians of our time but still in 30s) stays there. It is common for a tenure track professor to get million dollar funding in the first few years for their research. What is the incentive for anyone to join IITs?

    despite this, I think you should check IITD CS professors for example, most of them are IIT Btechs with PhDs from top univs in the US.

    3) Just about every government institution suffers from lack of proper management coupled with poor governance. What has been the efforts of the IIM faculty to study and contribute to their improvement? A world-class faculty would have taken such a challenge to contribute to India’s development.

    As if the government would listen to the faculty. Governments are busy setting up committee after committee rather than allowing IITs and IIMs complete autonomy and sponsoring research.

    4) Every one knows about India’s energy crisis. A world-class faculty would have taken up the challenge of contributing to this sector. Has any one heard of any great breakthroughs in energy sector by IITs?

    If there was an institution like National Science Foundation that would have given funding for studying energy related problems, I am sure people would have done it. Where is the incentive for doing anything, anyway?

    Rather than cribbing about IIT faculty are not world-class, it is more important to first find out the reasons for the so-called under achievement of IITs and resolve them.

    And why would you expect IITs to be world class when almost nothing (including politicians, people , cities) is “world class”?

  11. Sufi Says:

    Why didn’t Bhamy V Shenoy choose to become a faculty in IIT?! Why did he go abroad to work?! Its easy to speak!

  12. Bangalore Boy Says:

    Don’t go by what these dirty politicians say!
    Remember few months back they wanted to have some kind of reservation in these IIT/IIMs? They just wanna pull it down ..some how or other!
    I beleive that if faculty were not world class, students would not have been world class! they are directly proportional!

    Coming to the author, its d same old fox-grape-vine story… some IIT faculty did not encourage his idea…he is up-against all faculties!

  13. rss Says:

    no achievement can be touted great if it reaches only the rich, the poor has to benefit. Only such inventions can be touted as path breaking, there is no such achievement from any of our premier institutions, They only manifacture H1s,L1s and GreenCarders… I have spoken to many IITians who are and were doing MSc, or MTech and most of them had only got to say that they are sure to travel abroad for PHd , it is just a matter of whether it is Germany, UK or US, not a soul said ‘i will do my research in India’…

  14. M O H A N Says:

    Ramesh statement remindes me of the 3 idiots…. how true.

  15. digital blogger Says:

    is there a single product developed by IIT’s which we use in our day to day life.. right from morning till the end of the day every product/service we use has an element of foreign technology behind it..

  16. Jaidev Says:

    I’m from IIT Powai, graduated in the 1980’s but much of what I’m writing about still holds today. Even then the course work was not really much related to what the industry expected from a B.Tech graduate. This gap has only been increasing, and the courses are not being revised quickly enough for them to be practically useful. We learnt too many academically oriented abstractions and not many skills for the real world. I can say for sure that most of what I am doing at work today was learnt on the job. Even in my first or second year of work in the industry, I didn’t use more than 5% of the stuff I learnt in Powai.

    Second problem – teachers. The best and brightest went abroad for M.S or PhD’s in Ivy league schools. The second best went abroad to work. The next best went to the private sector. If you ask them why they didn’t go back to IIT to teach, it was an insidious combination of the toxic academic environment, politics and low salaries at the IITs. People did not earn so much from consulting contracts in those days. Professors in IIT routinely went around by cycle in the campus.

    One point that has not been addressed is the arrogance. We IIT grads have a superiority complex that we are the cream of the crop. We felt we could just sail over everyone else because we were from IIT, it would be no challenge at all, we would own the world. It is a huge shock when we came out to the industry or abroad or to the Ivy league schools only to face people of a far higher calibre, revolutionary and lateral thinking and just plain brilliant minds. I will never forget my first trip abroad and my first meeting with a group of Chinese researchers. I had the words “oh my god!” going through my head permanently during the meetings, just sheer awe at the depth and excellence of their research and physical shock at the brilliance of their thought process, it was just so different from anything we had encountered in IIT or in India.

    Forget MIT and Princeton and Stanford, even when we start working in India we find great minds from non-IIT colleges.

    What we all need at this point is some humility. We need to get off the high horse, stop being defensive and arrogant, and really deeply examine our teaching system – the syllabus, salaries and even the very reason for the IITs’ existence.

    When I hire someone for my company today I don’t care if he is from IIT or Harvard or XYZ college – some of my best engineers, humble, hard-working and intelligent, are from second and third-tier colleges. My best program manager is a very sharp fellow from REC Surathkal who learnt much of his stuff on the job and is now able to seamlessly deal with global cross-functional teams across different time zones.

    What is my recommendation? There are enough and more excellent engineering colleges in India. IIT’s are not indispensable. They should radically change, focus on core and applied long-term scientific and engineering research for India’s betterment. Forget B.Techs and M.Techs. Heck, forget degrees. Just do practical applied research. China has been doing that for 20 years now, they have the development and results to show.

    There’s no lack of practical research areas – energy and food production are just a couple of them which could keep us occupied for a very long time.

  17. babuds Says:

    IITs were set up in 60s with clear mandate to produce ‘good quality engineers’, not to conduct research, let alone world class research whether applied or fundamental. For that we had CSIR labs, Defence labs, IISc, etc. Asking IITs to produce hi-Q research is like barking against the wrong tree. Master programs and Phd programs were added as an after thought or much later to these IITs, when they were turned into deemed universities.

    Coming to the quality of the staff of universities or deemed universities, one can follow China’s example if one wishes. They recently poached several top class Chinese origin researchers and professors from premium Universities of USA, offering more than what they get there, including independent research facilities and grants.

    In the seventies our Government had a similar, but pathetic program offering miserly fellowships to Indian origin scientists working as post-docs abroad, without assuring them or creating the necessary work environment. Such idiotic plans formulated by IAS babus never did work. Probably they wanted the plan to fail.

    Teaching or Research career in India are made out to be the least exciting of all. The recent IIT-Zee topper wanted to became an IAS officer, because he could clearly see at his young age which side of the bread is buttered. There is no use blaming the youngsters either, because they have to make their own career, and so they are not to be swayed by ideologies.

    We excel in one thing, that is mediocrity. Our whole system is pre-programmed and continues to be nurtured for that. Probably that is a right path. Who knows?

  18. twistleton Says:

    Is it such a bad thing that out IIT graduates are not ‘industry-ready’?

    Good guides are a hard find.

    Most people do not find research lucrative. Not much return on investment.

    I would rather we invest in primary and middle level education first. Screw research.

  19. the colonel Says:

    gentlemen:

    in 1967 i was selected by IIT Powai and The Indian Military Acadamy.

    The choice is obvious from my name.

    BOTH are INDIAN. There is a big difference between TECHNOLOGISTS and Engineers.

    All 4000 – 5000 students relatively cannot be brilliant in the same year.

    The other institutes have done tremendously well

    When i am not upto the mark i become a SNOB.

    They have done brilliantly. Go speak to those who have are masters of their field. They will reassure you “That All Is Well”

    Incidentally the head of The Raffele complete avionics and its Software including Sattelite Navigation is INDIAN. He does not know french.

    The list of indians can fill huge Volume

    Well here is a good Nudge : “Start with Fauji Children”

    CHEERS to INDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. Jaidev Says:

    @babuds: “IITs were set up in 60s with clear mandate to produce ‘good quality engineers’, not to conduct research, let alone world class research whether applied or fundamental.”

    This is exactly the point I am trying to make. IIT’s are still only producing “good quality engineers”, they have not changed since the 1960’s while the world around them has changed so much it is unrecognisable. IIT today does not provide any great value-add compared to any other good engineering college, of which there are many. They can only provide value if they change.

    You talk about IISc and TIFR. Barring a few people, the quality of research coming out of IISc is mediocre. Some excellent professors like Dr. Jayant Haritsa of CSA, Dr. Anurag Kumar of ECE, Dr. Matthew Jacob of CSA, Dr. Swami Manohar of CSA, Dr. N. Balakrishnan of SERC and so on are more than capable of excellent R&D and many of them do so, but a much larger ratio of professors find commercial consulting contracts far more lucrative, and I don’t blame them. I know Dr. Ramesh Hariharan who was one of the youngest post-doc researchers who came to teach at IISc, he was an entrepreneur and a brilliant researcher, but his talents were not really rewarded as they should have been.

    I can name names from TIFR – those people I have met and interacted with at Raman research institute and TIFR are there because they are driven by their own thirst for knowledge and achievement in their specialised field of research, not because of any great research environment, grants, peers or quality of work happening there.

    I have also worked with research departments in CMU, Princeton and a few other schools and can tell you that the reason they are still relevant today and are succeeding is their adaptability and willingness to embrace change. Tell me why there are so many excellent profs and researchers of Indian origin doing so exceedingly well out there? Forget Yale and CMU, even in NUS (Singapore) and HKUST in Hong Kong, you don’t find the same culture and mindset. Stuff they do is *relevant* to industry.

    Even if you want to produce “good quality engineers” you have to be relevant, not teach the same outdated course work from the 1970’s.

    As for salaries, compare those at the good US and UK schools with IISc or TIFR or IIT, there is no way our salaries can attract the best people. Some years ago Dr. Viswanadham who was the chairman of the comp sci department at IISc joined NUS in Singapore to teach Computer aided manufacturing for a while. I think I saw him in Singapore in the late 1990’s. I can tell you he earned in those three years what he would have made in IISc in 20 or more years. A senior professor in NUS with Dr. NV’s experience can easily make SG$180K-200K a year including perks today.

    How can you expect IISc, TIFR and RRI to attract the best researchers or professors if even their own best teachers keep leaving for greener pastures?

    Again, the solution is to totally revamp and re-look the very reason for IIT and IISc’s existence. Are we here just to produce “some engineers” and “some research”? If so, IIT and IISc are just tax breaks for large companies like Krishna Flour mills who donate regularly to IISc and get tax write-offs.

    If we really intend to produce great, world-class engineers or research, these institutes cannot be government constrained, play petty politics and offer pathetic salaries. The bottom line is you can’t have cheap and good. You expect to pay almost nothing for tuitions and get world class teachers? Dream on.

    The way I see it is that we only have two options – break up IITs, IISc, etc and privatise them. Let them offer any sort of salary to attract the best brains in the world. Let the students pay to study, but let there be good scholarships so that many poor students can learn for free. Let money flow so that excellent lab and department facilities can be set up.

    Second option – let it remain as it is, and keep producing mediocre engineers and mediocre research papers.

  21. Desi Babu Says:

    Well written. I agree with Mr. Ramesh that a world class institution cannot be “created” in India under a government controlled set up. You can read my views on by blog:
    http://peanutexpress.blogspot.com/2011/05/eureka-please.html

  22. GTM Says:

    About time someone called a spade a spade. What exactly have the IIT’s, IIM’s, IISc and the other so-called elite institutes achieved to deserve this unjustified aura about them?

    I’m a graduate from one of these institutes and they have succeeded in destroying the potential for authentic creativity. I dreaded going to classes as they were a snooze-fest. Most of the professors can’t even string a proper sentence together. Now, there is no point in being the smartest person in the world if you can’t communicate effectively.

    Enough of the rant and let’s analyze where we as a society go wrong (from a cultural mindset POV):

    1. Parents- According to them, you are a dunderhead if you are not an engineer or a doctor. Liberal arts is seen as a choice amongst those who failed to get into the science stream in school. This results in students who might be better off in other fields, grudgingly take up the aforementioned disciplines. You cannot expect the best out of them with an attitude like that.

    2. Professors- As an educator, it is your inherent duty to instill a sense of creativity and vision in students. The worst thing any teacher can possibly do, is to do exactly the opposite.

    3. Students- I find your lack of curiosity disturbing. Mugging up concepts and vomiting on them on the paper the next day is not learning. We have photocopying machines for that purpose.

    4. Institutes- They work as a factory which regularly churns out graduates on a large scale. Graduates are not commodities in the market, they are the biggest asset to the nation. If they aren’t treated properly, don’t be surprised to see them run off to other countries.

    5. Society- We live in a country which is dominated by corruption, bureaucracy, nepotism, red-tapism and a lack of work ethic. In such an environment, there is NO scope for a World class institute, let alone original thoughts.

    My intention is not to tar everyone with the same brush, but I’m merely pointing out some casual observations.

    If and only if the attitudes change, we may see some unique technological innovations coming out of these institutes in the future. But, I’m not holding my breath.

    Peace.
    -GTM

  23. Anonymous Guy Says:

    In the long run a scheme such as Jayalalithaa’s of distributing free laptops to students of class XI and XII is probably money better spent than BS thought up by Indian babus or corporates to further high end research and the like. She just has to throw in internet access and no interference from the authorities on what the students want to do with the laptops and how they access the world of ideas.

  24. sisya Says:

    A cursory search on Google Scholar — “Indian Institute of Technology” or “Indian Institute of Science” vs “Massachusetts Institute of Technology”/”Stanford University” etc., is revealing. It is a no-contest. Forget the MITs and Stanfords, even second/third-tier US universities beat our IITs hollow — “Indian Institute of Technology” vs “Texas A&M University” for example.

    “Indian Institute of Technology” — 40,000 hits: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22Indian+Institute+of+Technology%22&btnG=Search&as_allsubj=some&as_subj=bio&as_subj=bus&as_subj=chm&as_subj=eng&as_subj=med&as_subj=phy&as_sdt=1%2C3&as_ylo=2000&as_yhi=2010&as_vis=0

    Texas A&M — 53.400 hits: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22Texas+A%26M+University%22&btnG=Search&as_allsubj=some&as_subj=bio&as_subj=bus&as_subj=chm&as_subj=eng&as_subj=med&as_subj=phy&as_sdt=1%2C3&as_ylo=2000&as_yhi=2010&as_vis=0

    “Massachusetts Institute of Technology” — 423,000 hits: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=%22Massachusetts+Institute+of+Technology%22&btnG=Search&as_allsubj=some&as_subj=bio&as_subj=bus&as_subj=chm&as_subj=eng&as_subj=med&as_subj=phy&as_sdt=1%2C3&as_ylo=2000&as_yhi=2010&as_vis=0

    Before the Col. splits hairs, let me concede that above searches are not very scientific. I’ve tried to make it as scientific as possible. For example, I’ve limited the search to just the last 10 years. I’ve also not included “Social Sciences, Arts, and Humanities” in the searches to make sure that some random “Dr. Thiru.” TamilaZHagan’s Ph.D thesis on TiruKa’s collection of poetry in “Classical Divine tamil” doesn’t contaminate the results. In any case, it doesn’t matter which way you slice and dice it, IITs exist only to soothe elitist egos.

    Having said that, we all still know why IITs are not good. It’s coz they didn’t serve our esteemed author his samosas. Oh wait.. was that The Sri Sri Sri?

  25. the colonel Says:

    dear sisya,

    Before the Col. splits hairs: Boss No Hair: Smile now please:- Thank You I’m happy now.

    IITs exist only to soothe elitist egos.: some how the reply was preempted and mistakenly posted “in what if india hadn’t” under:- ” And One More Experience : This is with a RIKSHAW_WALLA by someone i know”

    And see todays papers (Saturday)

  26. shankar Says:

    @ the colonel,

    there is no WENKEL engine, however there is a WANKEL engine, which has its own set of problems. afaik , Only mazda has used these engines in their cars.

    can you explain “at dusk the sluices are opened as per the required quantity and on hitting mine generators enough electricity is produced and more. some quantity of water is used for irrigation the rest flows back into the natural tanks for tomorrow.” how does the water flow back into its natural tanks for tomorrow , defying laws of gravity ? using solar power ?

    Your example of water being pumped back is old hat. those are called peak load power plants , where the water is used to generate power during peak loads & pumped back during off peak hours where you have more power than demand. But it cant be done using solar power as you mention.

  27. the colonel Says:

    dear shankar,

    two spelling errors on my part. if The WANKEL engine is rotary then that is the correct engine. the second is mini gen and not mine gen.

    Did i give you the impression that the natural storage tank is at the same level as the upper storage tanks. the water fows in channels from heights and some of it is used in irrigation but most of it flushes into the lower tank.

    Some how i got an impression that you were referring to “THE PERPETUAL MACHINE” which every one knows is not possible.

    And we are talking of rural communities were the only domestic load is from 1800h to say 2200h.

  28. Jaspal Singh Says:

    No institute of technology, management or medicine is world class. They prepare their students for occupying high status jobs rather than performing socially useful functions. The high cost of becoming educated will make it impossible for them to repay loans on their own education, pay hospital bills, get their children educated, or build houses for them. Commercialisation of education is hitting at the roots of the institution of family. We need inexpensive high quality institutions for adequately organising our country, with a view to becoming competitive in all regards.

  29. Namita Nagaraja Says:

    I’m a project staff working at one of the IITs. And regarding research, I think we have plenty of ideas and students with good calibre. But the thing is, if you want to get soemthing done, it takes a lot of time. People delay things. Not all suppliers provide info quickly. If you order something from the US, it gets delayed in the custom clearance. Attitude of phd students is also an issue. Not all of them will have the spirit of curiosity. In the tension of having to get a research paper out, they forget that research is all about questioning things that go on around you.

  30. raj Says:

    I am a Corporate technical trainer, dealing most of the time with so called premiums institutions students like iit, nit. I have not seen a single student who want to join MTech/Phd in india, as per their understanding they get better opportunists ( and salaries) why hell they waste time in research (in fact re-search). they don’t care about teaching (and of course teachers) and think teaching as a inferior job.

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