Not every song can become a Kolaveri Ditty

Yes, it’s catchy. Yes, it’s creative. Yes, it’s a hit.

But, sadly, it will never be Kolaveri Di.

Still, to ask the contrarian question, does the song Pyaar namdukke aagbutaithe from the comic hero Komal‘s upcoming film Govindaya Namaha that uses “Shivajinagar Kannada” underline the usual stereotype about Muslims in a funny but offensive sort of way?

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102 Responses to “Not every song can become a Kolaveri Ditty”

  1. Alok Prasanna Kumar (@alokpi) Says:

    I’m torn between taking offence, suffering a brain haemorrhage from the stupidity invasion, and gagging on my own puke.

  2. Amarnath Says:

    I don’t think there is anything offensive in Pyaarge Aagbuttaite..The Shivajinagar style of Kannada has more or less become yet another dialect of the language. I feel, it must be considered at par with the different existing patterns of speaking Kannada like the Bengalooru Kannada, Mandya-Mysooru Kannada, Kollegala Kannada, Malenaada Kannada, Karaavali Kannada, Hubbali-Dharawada Kannada, Gulbarga-Bijapura-Bidar Kannada, Havyaka Kannada, Kundaapura Kannada and many more.
    This song is absolutely fantastic and has set a new trend in the Kannada film Industry.
    Comparing this superhit song with another song from a different language doesn’t make any sense, but if at all we are firm to draw a comparison, this kannada number is fabulous too..

  3. Doddi Buddi Says:

    A fantastic song! This beats Kolaveri with its pretentious rap and moronic sounds.

  4. Putta Says:

    First of all there shouldnt be any comparison to Kolaveri as Kolaveri itself is not a great song. And Kolaveri is nothing compared to Pyar ge aagbittaite. Many people said the same about Kolaveri. Talking about the style of Kannada in the song, thats how most of muslims in South-Karnataka speak. In north-karnataka muslims speak kannada in proper north karnataka accent. Shivajinagara style has already become one more dialect of Kannada :) So there is nothing offensive about anything or anybody in this song. Kudos to Gurukiran and Govindaya Namaha team for coming up with a fabulous and creative song like this..

  5. Gaby Says:

    Catchy, Creative ( in a pinch) and a hit- what other eleusive quality does Kolavei have that this new song doesnt- both are stupid songs and an insult to the senses.

  6. asha Says:

    Why do you want to measure yourself against something especially the mindless kolaveri di….

    And what is wrong in lyrics being in Shivajinagar Kannada…afterall that is how it is spoken by muslims in shivajinagar….

    Hell no it is not at all offensive…what is offensive is painting a picture of Sita fornicating on hanuman’s tail

  7. harsha Says:

    aiyo!!! when did this song try to imitate kolaveri di?
    its like comparing apples(this song) to some junk recording piece.. remember it went viral since Sony entrainment was behind the scene, if not; it would been one more video..

  8. chidu22 Says:

    This song is another in the series of utter garbage dished out by Gurukiran & Co. in the name of creativity. Coming to the rescue of kannada in the face of another rubbish called Kolaveri by some of you is understandable. No such thing as Shivajinagar kannada/dialect is recognised,its inability of these people to speak proper kannada,still worse that it is put up by many in the name of dialect. The other dialects mentioned do exist in the Janapad( folklore) literature. I condemn this so called dialect which ridicules Kannada language. Please stop encouraging such songs by Gurukiran.

  9. Suhruta Says:

    Looks like Whoever wrote this small piece has two things in mind. Firstly to undermine the success of the song and secondly to brand it as offensive!

    First up – Let’s accept this song is a hit! There is no need to compare this with a song from another language! And lets not forget the role pf Sony in promoting Kolaveri!

    Second – It’s time to recognise Shivajinagar lingo as a dialect. Just the way we have Kannada(Mysuru), Kannada(Mangaluru) etc. we should accept this instead of making it offensive and then untouchable!

  10. Ravi Says:

    This song is too good and there is no reason to compare with Kolaveri Di. I have muslim friends who have liked this song as well. I dont see any offensive stuff here.

    This song is a super hit and the “Govindaya namaha” team should be congratulated for this.

  11. sanjeeva Says:

    Putting a question whether it is offensive itself is offensive. The song does not mock at anybody. Take it in a right spirit and have a good laugh and enjoy the song. Do we mock at the people coming from interior villages who speak Kannada!

  12. Goldstar Says:

    Why this insecurity insecurity di ??

  13. Doddi Buddi Says:

    If Kolaveri was bedhi, Pyaar ge aagbitteythe is bedhi mathrey!

  14. kannadati Says:

    ಕನ್ನಡ ಚಿತ್ರರಂಗದ ಮಾರುಕಟ್ಟೆ ಚಿಕ್ಕದು ಅಂತ ಬೊಬ್ಬೆ ಹೊಡೆಯೋ ಸಿನಿಮಾ ಮಂದಿಗೆ ಈ ‘ಪ್ಯಾರ್ಗೆ..’ ಹಾಡು ಒಂದು ನಿಜಕ್ಕೂ ಪಾಠ!! ಏನಾದರೂ ಹೊಸತು ಕೊಟ್ಟರೆ ಜನ ಅದನ್ನು ಖಂಡಿತ ಸ್ವೀಕರಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ, ನಮ್ಮ ಕನ್ನಡ ಸೊಗಡು, ಮಣ್ಣಿನ ಹಿರಿಮೆ ಹಾಗೂ ಭಾಷಾಭಿಮಾನ ಸಾರುವ ಕಥೆ, ಹಾಡುಗಳು ಹೆಚ್ಚು ಬರಬೇಕು,ಕನ್ನಡಿಗರು ಕನ್ನಡನಾಡಿನಲ್ಲಿ ನೆಮ್ಮದಿಯಿಂದ ಇರಬೇಕು…!

  15. dr ramesh Says:

    May not be spectacular, but pyaarge is a good attempt and it sounds different . But why compare with a tamil song?. For tamils kolaveri di is pinnacle of music wizardry ,but for kannadigas its just a song . Anna bond trailers on youtube has been a rocking hit,overtaking kolaveri in terms of content and number of hits. Yet it does not receive same publicity from national media.

  16. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Love that nasal voice by the female singer and male singer singing in Komal’s accent! Hilariously funny.

    nam duki accha accha antharey!

  17. Kitapati Says:

    genius. Loved this song. Great work. Nothing here which is offensive for shivajinagar folks as This is how the they speak kannada.

  18. Sapna Says:

    Creative – yes
    Catchy – yes
    Top class – No, but how many top class Kannada movie & songs have you seen lately?
    Offensive – No, why do you think so?

  19. vgowda Says:

    Liked the song very much….especially the expressions of Komal.

    @Sapna,
    are you expecting a hollywood style video from KFI…remember the hero is Komal and not Puneeth or Darshan to spend more on the making….and more over the market for KFI is small compared to all the film industries in India…
    Watch Chingari movie of Darshan…it is picturized very stylishly….

    I listen to songs from Kannada/Tamil/Telugu/Hindi and i can assure you that KFI has the maximum Hit songs of all the film industries…Thanks to Manomurthy/Harikrishna/Jayanth K etc….

    Please dont post a comment just for the sake of it :-)

  20. Harihar Says:

    Another peak in the Sonia-inspired secularism on churumuri.. way to go man.. Dissect each and every issues on hand to find something about secular content in it.. You will sure get a Padma award soon from H’ble Pratibha Patil-ji.

  21. Namskaara Says:

    What’s wrong with you?

  22. Gaby Says:

    Why is this song that is supposed to be in ‘ Shivajinagar’ kannada picturised in Bijapur?

  23. greendoors Says:

    Catchy song, and sounds new to kannada music listeners. Not a great one, but the girl is hot.

  24. Faldo Says:

    I agree it is a good and honest attempt to create a song which generates a few laughs. Why give it labels or compare it with something that is not even a song and spoil the fun?

  25. Ishq karta hai... Says:

    ugyodu gigyodu nakko ji – ( the power pun :) )
    sumke pyaar karo ji ( hahahahaaaa
    namdu ke nim ishqq………. (wow wat a move by the amazing actress ) karta hai.

    and
    Jum jum
    nakko nakko

    just what the february chali wanted! before valentine’s day!!

    Great .
    what Komal and Parul have done is they has given respect for Humour – which was lost with demise of Narasimharaju and a bit recovered with Jaggesh.

    the nasal female playback singing and the male co playback. amazing. .classic costume and choreography.
    now that’s what is called the meticulousness in the art of film making.
    If pawan odeyar is seeing this –
    it’s world class . add subtitles in english , urdu , german , russian , dutch, chinese and japanese – youtube should be having plugin to choose subtitle and spread it around.
    contact the 20-25 year old software engineers lying around streets of bengaloor to get it done. will be done in an hour.
    Post all names of the team. Gurukiran has pulled a wonder after long time.

  26. Suresh Girirao Says:

    ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ಬೇರೆ ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ಹೋಲಿಕೆ ಮಾಡಬೇಡಿ.ಹೊಸ ಪ್ರಯತ್ನಕ್ಕೆ ಪ್ರೋತ್ಸಾಹ ಕೊಡಿ.ಕೀಳರಿಮೆಯಿಂದ ಹೊರಬನ್ನಿ. ಜೈ ಕನ್ನಡಾಂಬೆ! ಜೈ ಗೋವಿಂದಾಯನಮ:!

  27. dandapinda Says:

    Oh come on. It is not offensive. We have seen Gangavathi Pranesh or Prof. Krishne Gowda use “Shivajinagara Kannada”. They meant no offence. We laugh at that too. Take it sportively. Kolaveri had that “Rajnikanth” brand and it went viral.

    @people who think this song is garbage: I prefer Kannada songs over the thrash that comes out of “Arre yaar” movies these days.

  28. Putnanja Says:

    My middle finger salute to churumuri for this priceless piece of blogging.

  29. Thalaiva Says:

    Not upto Kolaveri standards

  30. Vivek Says:

    I wonder why Gurukiran and Co. didn’t come up with something like this until Kolaveri Di came about. It is because people like us encouraged such imitations that our industry has fallen to its present state. Whatever happened to all the original, lovely music of yesteryear??!
    No doubt, this song is good and so was Kolaveri; but all said and done, Kolaveri was first and let’s stop acting like all those mindless, communal souls out there by trying to prove anything about two songs that are meant to just entertain.

  31. Rohith Says:

    The only reason I’d compare this & ‘that’ is because I find that there’re not many ‘listener created versions’ of the ‘pyaaarge’ song uploaded yet. Not as many as kolaveri was decorated with. Now that phenomenon (of listener participation & contribution) is what created a viral out of kolaveri, and not who carried the music or who endorsed it.

    Now, will the real Kannada movie-music-buffs please stand up and make their own versions of this newfound hit?

    When it comes to talking about making this song a controversy, Churumuri, this song would definitely benefit from any such dust-raising rumors. Only lets make sure it doesn’t affect communal harmony.

    The phrase ‘Shivajinagar Kannada’ is perhaps the best gift by non-shivajinagarites to shivajinagarites acknowledging the uniqueness of their Kannada and recognition of this uniqueness as being valuable to the gamut of Kannada versions, and loud announcement of the fact that it is in these subtle things that we can say people dont forget real history, no matter how-all some governments might attempt to misrepresent history in textbooks :)

  32. asha Says:

    Guys,

    Excepting the period of Ilayaraja reign in tamil music industry,,every other period sucked big time…Ilayaraja’s success by his own admission came from the tutelage he received under GK Venkatesh,….let the tamil’s say whatever they want..fact remains Kannada music ruled, still rules and will continue to rule

  33. Thalaiva Says:

    Asha,

    You have either forgotten/not known about MS Viswanathan. Rahman is worldwide recognized musician from Madras. Roja, Gentleman, Indian, Kadhalan and many more classics impressed kannadigas too. GKV is one of the rarest music composer, there is no other thought. By saying other than ilayaraja’s era, rest sucked is pure ignorance.

  34. Thalaiva Says:

    Asha,

    It was GKV who joined the group which had MSV and TKR who were composing music for Sivaji starer Tamil movie Panam. GKvenkatesh was an assistant to MSV and TKR for the movie Panam.

  35. kannadada kanda. Says:

    pyar ge agbittaithe literally better than kolaveri d.

  36. Vivek Says:

    I’m not sure how Illayaraja’s success came because of GKV, when their styles of music are so different from each other. And not to forget, during his last days, GKV was taken care of by Illayaraja who gave him work in his own Tamil projects. That’s because the so-called Kannada industry didn’t give him his due. It’s not enough to enjoy such wonderful music, the industry should also learn to respect and preserve such talent!

  37. asha Says:

    Thalaiva,

    Liking music is a very subjective matter…you may think Rahman is the best the tamil music industry has ever produced, but I think he is only a brilliant technician and an average music director compared to Ilayaraja…I dont even want to talk about MSV and TKR who have given highly forgettable music all through their career..if they were so great why did Ilayaraja chose to intern with GKV and not with MSV or TKR . You may also add to the list Shankar-Ganesh and Deva who were over hyped by the industry

  38. Thalaiva Says:

    Asha,

    Rahman and Ilayaraja are unique in their own styles. Rahman impressed audiences post 90’s who were expecting a different genre of music.You may not like Rahman’s music when you are addicted to ilayaraja who was ruling till 90’s. May be a generation thinking gap. MSV and TKR gave few top class music albums in tamil, may be thats not your taste or likes and hence don’t generalize. There was a craze is the country when Kadhalan released. The movie didn’t had typical shankar’s magical direction, nor it had a catchy subject. It was purely Rahman’s music and Prabhu Deva’s dance that created craze. Havent you ignore Rang De Basanti? Roja’s songs were listed among top 10 most popular songs of all the time in the world!!!! Isai Puyal AR Rahman surely deserves an international recognition.
    Ever green amruthavarshini songs were delivered by Deva. Can we forget “Ee sundara beladingala”, “Bhale bhale chandada”, Tunturu alli neera haadu”? Credit surely goes to both Deva and Kalyan for his amazing lyrics.

  39. Vivek Says:

    Asha,

    You seem to have a very peripheral understanding of music and composers. Being a musician myself, let me add my $0.02.
    Firstly, if MSV and TKR’s music is ‘highly forgettable’, I cannot understand how present day Kannada music can rule (as you say). I feel it is an insult to be comparing the cheap lyrics and weak tunes of most songs today with the gems of yesteryear from these composers. It was MSV who brought the concept of light music to movies, and any musician worth his salt will acknowledge that. It was MSV’s tunes that partly made MGR such a phenomenon!
    FYI…Illayaraja did play for MSV, as well as for GKV. And Illayaraja’s compositions are studied at Universities abroad. Let me know if Guru Kiran’s or Mano Murthy’s music is studied anywhere….
    If you think Deva was over-hyped, then I would like to know what you think of the songs in Amruthavarshini, which people die for even today.
    Comparing Rahman and Illayaraja is a waste of time. They both have their individual styles that changed the face of film music in India, which others copy anyways.
    KFM was in the doldrums a few years ago and thanks to Mano Murthy, it gained some sanity and led the way for others to do good music. And even that, no one knows many things about. Let me throw some light…
    Hamsalekha was a great composer no doubt, but how many people know that his music arranger was MSV Raja? He’s one of the best saxophone players in the country today and he’s from Chennai.
    Gurukiran’s Jogi had almost all musicians from Chennai. Jim Satya was the one who programmed ‘Yello Jogappa’ and ‘Hodi Maga’ and he’s from Chennai too (He is Rahman’s keyboardist sometimes).
    The beautiful Guitar and Violin pieces in Mungaru Male were played by Amalraj, from Chennai again. And most recordings these days happen in Chennai for the Violin sections in KFM. Almost all the Sound Mastering of big Kannada movies happens in Chennai too.
    Chennai has been and will be for much more time the Film Music Capital of India. The musicians from down here are in high demand in Bollywood too (Eg: Flutist Naveen, Jim Satya, Christy, Keith Peters, etc).
    The great RD Burman himself acknowledged that Illayaraja was the greatest composer this land has produced. And he was the son of SD Burman!!

    KFM no doubt has brilliant composers and few really wonderful songs are coming out of late, but these composers themselves will readily admit to the superiority of MSV, Illayaraja, Rahman, SD Burman, etc..
    And that humility is what differentiates a true musician from a mediocre one.

  40. asha Says:

    Thalaiva/Vivek,

    As I already said music is very subjective. A true melody is accepted by all generations at all times. The oldie goldies being such an hit with the present generation after they were remixed is a good example of this. I do like new music whenever they are melodious and not too noisy. But that is just me. I do agree ARR gave excellent muusic for a few initial movies like Roja, bombay etc after that it was very routine and more of technical wizardry and yelling instead of melodies. There is a reason why roja songs are a hit even today because they are MELODIOUS :) MSV and TKR intially used to score music in Kannada movies too when they were a duo this was when the kannada film industry was still budding and was mostly based in madras. Once the kannad drama companies started producing movies, more talented kannada music directors came to light. Have you ever wondered why a telugu music director Ghantasala was more acceptable to kannadigas than MSV/TKR. As far as Deva is concerned I will just say this “One swallow does not make a summer”. Musicians from tamilnad playing for kannada music directors or arranging music does not take away the glory of the music directors themselves. Vidyasagar has recorded for RD Burman for a few movies, now does it make Vidyasagar greater than RDB..hell no. Our own talented music director Vijaybhaskar worked for Madan Mohan and Naushad before he started his stint in Kannada. So exchange of musicians across is a healthy trend that lets them learn and try new things. Rajan Nagendra were highly appreciated by the Telugu movie goers and a lot of their compositions have been taken for telugu songs. Hamsalekha changed the face of music industry in south by his unique lyrics and compositions, a composer who has scored music for 300 movies in 20 some years, that is not mean achievement by any standards..Just because kannadiga’s maintain a low profile the greatness of their composers and compositions does not vanish into think air.

    ***

    >>but how many people know that his music arranger was MSV Raja? He’s one of the best saxophone players in the country today and he’s from Chennai.
    >>

    If MSV raja was that great a saxohpone player, I wonder why ARR had Kadri Gopinath to play the saxophone pieces in the film duet…just a thought :)

    ***

    >>I’m not sure how Illayaraja’s success came because of GKV, when their styles of music are so different from each other.>>

    The answer lies in your question

    >> And not to forget, during his last days, GKV was taken care of by Illayaraja who gave him work in his own Tamil projects.>>

    I do agree to this. He did take care of GKV in his last days and even payed for the treatement of his illness (kidney failure).

    >>That’s because the so-called Kannada industry didn’t give him his due. It’s not enough to enjoy such wonderful music, the industry should also learn to respect and preserve such talent!>>

    Is the tamil industry taking care of its old timers well…that would be very heartening…the film industry is a dog eat dog world…every man is on his own..a disorganised industry like film industry to take care of its old timers is really a dream come true that never happens. Jaidev who was a great composer in hindi died in penury and so did bharat bhushan, a yester year actor. So dont blame kannada industry alone this is a universal phenomenon..

  41. Vivek Says:

    Asha,

    Again, your statements aren’t really accurate…

    1. “If MSV raja was that great a saxohpone player, I wonder why ARR had Kadri Gopinath to play the saxophone pieces in the film duet…just a thought :)”
    The western saxophone pieces in Duet, including the ‘Anjali’ song, weren’t played by Kadri Gopalnath (not Gopinath). They were played by Sax Raja (different from MSV Raja). He is from Illayaraja’s group and in Rahman’s and SPB’s own words – He is as good as Kenny G if not better. Pity that he let alcohol destroy his career. But he’s back in business again. A great person and very humble, I have met him and heard him record in Chennai.

    And any Sax you hear in Hamsalekha’s or Mano Murthy’s music is from MSV Raja, until today.
    ———————————————————————–
    2. “The answer lies in your question”
    How??
    ———————————————————————–
    3. “Is the tamil industry taking care of its old timers well…that would be very heartening…the film industry is a dog eat dog world”
    Disagree. MSV and Illayaraja are highly-revered even today by everyone in the Tamil / Telugu industries and no one dared to disrespect them yet.
    ————————————————————————
    4. “So exchange of musicians across is a healthy trend that lets them learn and try new things.”
    An Arranger isn’t hired to come to another industry to learn or try new things. He is booked so that he produces what is required in the available time. Which means, if someone is still on the learning curve he most definitely will not be called. Studio time is very expensive and only professionals who can deliver will be used by music directors. Also, I wonder who goes from the Kannada music industry to play in other sessions. Vijay Prakash could be a good example, but he’s a singer and I cannot think of any musician who crosses borders from Karnataka.
    Musicians from Chennai are called here because there is a glaring lack in local musicians’ quality in Karnataka, I know because we produce albums too and finding musicians of that caliber locally is almost impossible. But there are a few wonderful singers in Karnataka and thank God for that.
    ————————————————————————-
    5. “Have you ever wondered why a telugu music director Ghantasala was more acceptable to kannadigas than MSV/TKR”
    Have you ever wondered why Vijay Prakash became such a hit in Tamil than in Kannada? :)
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    6. “Hamsalekha changed the face of music industry in south”
    Correction: He changed the music industry in Karnataka. But a great talent no doubt, I am his fan too.
    —————————————————————————
    I’m not trying to prove that the Tamil industry is better than the KFI, but we also need to accept some facts are they are. Talent is everywhere, after all, the border between States is only on the map, not in reality. But the big difference is the opportunity that is given for that talent to grow and succeed. And the Tamil industry does a better job at that. Rahman played the keyboard for so many Kannada movies, but no one thought about giving him a chance until Mani Ratnam came along and created such a phenomenon. And who’s loss was it in the end??

  42. Pulikeshi the Last Says:

    nakalu maadodaralli nisseemaru naavu. Remake pravrutthiya innondu mukha idu.

  43. Thalaiva Says:

    Asha,

    You said, other than ilyaraja’s era rest sucked in tamil. Now you are contradicting your own statement saying Roja, Bombay were classics.

    Madras is known for Cinema and music from ages. Even many bollywood movies have technicians from Madras. The opportunity is more in Madras when compared to small industries like kannada and malayalam. Most of the kannada talents shifted to Kodambakkam cinemas because of lack of opportunities. Kannada industry failed to recognize/give suitable opportunities to many talents starting from Rajini, Arjun, Prabhu Deva’s family, Prakash Raj and so many people. Easily you will say ARR is a nosiy musician, but that noisy musician has given opportunities to many south indian raising talents. Vijay Prakash an example to quote. He was an instant hit after a wonderful number “Hosanna” from VTV.

  44. dr ramesh Says:

    Music is not just film music. Kannada has a very distinguished and rich music tradition called sugama sangeetha(some thing similar to rabindra sangeeth in bengali). Classic compositions of renowned poets are made in to songs with light and soulful music. This is thriving in karnataka. A small kid sings works of kuvempu, narasimh aswamy, pu ti na with ease. Great composers like kalinga rao, anantswamy, ashwath , padmacharan have left great masterpieces enriching kannada music. Assam film music may not be popular but what about bhupen hazarika compositions in assamese. Entire country appreciates it. Narrowing musical greatness to a r rehman is injustice i guess.

  45. aarohana pada Says:

    Have you heard of P Kaliga Raaya
    it started with him and Bheemsen Joshi
    then it went to GK Venkatesh
    and then to Ilayaraja
    and then to Rahman

    Rahman is just into light because of publicity just like srk films garner 100 crores .

    so dont fool around unknown things credit is never given when its due.

    never question the ability of karnataka when it comes to singing.
    that’s astronomical ignorance. we are the progenitors of classical to modern(raghu dixit)

  46. sisya Says:

    “No doubt, this song is good and so was Kolaveri; but all said and done, Kolaveri was first …..”

    first? first in what? if you are talking about film-music with lyrics peppered with slang and humour – i am sure that has been on offer for as long as one can remember and if anybody should take credit for carving a entire genre out of such attempts, it should be hamsalekha. His Premaloka still sounds as fresh today as it was nearly 3 decades ago. from penning and composing numbers like ‘”nimbehanninantha hudugi…” and “college kumar kissige damaar” to soul-stirring numbers in ganayogi panchakshari gawayi to ‘he dinakara…”, hamsalekha’s talent and versatility is unmatched.

    forget hamsalekha… there have been numerous such attempts by several people before and after hamsalekha. the likes of uppi, kashinath, v. manohar, yograj bhat et al have done it numerous times with great success. so what precisely is KD and all its mediocrity a first of?

    aside: my middle finger salute too, to churumuri on this hell of a troll of an article.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59pbtDkLRL8&w=420&h=315

  47. Thalaiva Says:

    Ramesh,

    we are not narrowing musical greatness to anyone. But even you cant condemn a great maestro Ar rahman. Tamil has also produced many great musicians. For instance, M.S.Subbalakshmi who is known for Suprabhatam.

    Still in ganeshtosava, Raghavendra swami aradhane, ramanavami in karanataka, tamil musicians will have a great share. Just visit Shanku Bakery vinayaka chaturthi celebration – popularly called as 8th cross ganesha who will organize 10 days of carnatic musical concerts. More than 75% of musicians are from Madras. Carnatic music has more roots in Madras than mysore. Purandara Dasa padagalu will be sung in many vocal concerts in TN.

    ***
    Aarohana pada,

    (Have you heard of P Kaliga Raaya
    it started with him and Bheemsen Joshi
    then it went to GK Venkatesh
    and then to Ilayaraja
    and then to Rahman)

    Mulla saabigu, krishna janmashtami gu yen sambandha sir?

    Kalinga Rao popularized sugama sangeetha. Bheemsen joshi was more into hindustani musical and also sung dasara padagalu. GKV, Ilayaraja and Rahman all were into mainstream movie music world. I don’t find any tarkha in your comparisons.

    (Rahman is just into light because of publicity just like srk films garner 100 crores .

    so dont fool around unknown things credit is never given when its due)

    Even Jogayya was publisized to the max, whether it was at least a hit? No. Did RA.One impressed audience, just because it was a 100 crore project? NO.
    People just don’t accept everything blindly. Rahman’s music is surely a magic. The world has accepted AR Rahman, if kannadigas ignore him then no one cares. Nari(Fox) and its failed try for Drakshi kathe nenapaguthide nanage :) :)

    Why this hotte uri hotte uri di…. Dhanushu rocked in Kolaveri di :) :)

  48. Vivek Says:

    Sisya,

    Kolaveri was certainly not the first to have music with lyrics peppered with slang and humour. But it was the first to garner international attention and people around the world are bit by the bug. I’m not saying it’s a meaningful song, it is a fun song and it’s meant to be enjoyed. If one starts comparing Kolaveri to Beethoven’s Symphony or Kuvempu’s writings, it’s nothing but being silly!

    And regarding Premaloka (which I love too) just go to some random Indian State, say Manipur, and ask them if they’ve heard Premaloka. Then ask them about Roja, that will answer your questions.

    “the likes of uppi, kashinath, v. manohar, yograj bhat et al have done it numerous times with great success”
    Not sure how you define success, being in Karnataka myself, I’ve never heard much of Uppi’s or Double Meaning Kashinath’s songs. They may be a hit here no doubt, but outside of this State, they’re never heard of mostly. Your great Yograj Bhat is the one who disregards a nice Rajesh Krishnan and brings in Sonu Nigam to deliver a hit, so what’s the point here??

    Everyone’s talking about KFM in the context of Karnataka. The moment this discussion is taken to the global arena and international recognition, we have to face the facts.

  49. aarohana pada Says:

    thalaiva: ade kano guruve hotte uri tamil uri ,
    adeno madrasu madrasu anthidyalla avella british maadiddu adannitkondu mysooravratra maathadbeda –

    nimma ella technicians work kalithiddu namma karunadalli.

    Sadly Acharya died. RIP

  50. dr ramesh Says:

    Thalaiva, a r rehman was given an oppurtunity to compose theme song for commonwealth games in delhi, and boy, what did he do, he gave a dud song. Entire country gave it a big thumbs down. Rock star hindi movie music was an utter flop with a r rehman music. Even today purists believe oscar lost the sanctity by giving it to a super ordinary composition of a r rehman. Problem is tamils consider rajnikanth as pinnacle of acting, a r rehman as pinnacle of music wizardry, dhanush as pinnacle of male playback singing and finally kolaveri as peak of lyrical mastery overtaking tagore’s geethanjali . Good luck to them.

  51. Vivek Says:

    “nimma ella technicians work kalithiddu namma karunadalli.”

    ROFL!!!! Are you for real??
    ————————————————
    ” Problem is tamils consider rajnikanth as pinnacle of acting, a r rehman as pinnacle of music wizardry, dhanush as pinnacle of male playback singing and finally kolaveri as peak of lyrical mastery overtaking tagore’s geethanjali”

    Is that all or are there any other baseless presumptions?

    No one considers Rajinikanth as the pinnacle of acting. He’s the pinnacle of ‘Mass Fan Following’ and ‘Style’.
    ARR is definitely the pinnacle of ‘Music Wizardry’, not of ‘Music’ per se.
    If someone thinks Dhanush is the pinnacle of male playback singing, he needs to be sent to Mars ASAP. No one in their senses would and most people don’t, including Dhanush himself.
    And Tagore never wrote a ‘Soup Song’, so please give him and Kolaveri a break! A couple of guys writing on a Blog isn’t going to take away the success of Kolaveri, whether it has weak lyrics or not! Accept it and move on folks, it came from INDIA after all…
    Peace!

  52. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Vivek and Thaliva,

    Your arguments are bereft of logic and common sense. When Premaloka songs were released we didn’t have Internet. Even then Premaloka songs were popular in a few states. Now one of you made a tall claim that Tamil musicians are a big draw here in Karnataka during various utsavas. The reason being Karnakata is always trying to improve the sahitya and swara jnana of TN musicians because otherwise they will continue to sing “Maka Kanapathi…” and so on. This is terrible as you can agree being a music man and so on.

    So TN musicians come over here to improve their diction and enlarge their sound repertoire. Being generous patrons of music, Kannadigas have already set the Gold Standard in Sahitya (OK SaaGitya for you). We speak Kannada and it is a model language with all sounds clear and concise. It is not for lack of talent Kannada musicians don’t appear. It is just that we are in a social-service mode where we help some Sahitya-challenged musicians from a neighboring State, to overcome their singing disabilities. So there…

  53. Thalaiva Says:

    aarohana pada,

    Guru, i have addressed with respect to you, but not with singular. Anyways its upto you to again address in singluar, which i ignore.

    Your argument on Madras is very dry with no value. Infact Madras is a highly exploited indian city by british raj. Today’s Madras with slum mess up is because of British. Their city planning sucked.They didn’t gave anything to India other than English. The madras what i am talking about is the culture, local people, music, the language tamil.

    (nimma ella technicians work kalithiddu namma karunadalli.)

    Ha ha… Ok no problem, Mysore urgently needs one more fire station.

    dr.ramesh,

    Yes Arr’s common wealth music sucked. That doesnt mean, he is a very average musician? Rockstar was a huge success, haven’t your heard Sadda haq?

    ((Even today purists believe oscar lost the sanctity by giving it to a super ordinary composition of a r rehman))

    Please enlighten us from which source you got this news.

    Nowhere we are saying, Dhanush and kolaveri di represents a pinnacle music. But Kolaveri is a success and its success doesn’t mean its the face of tamil music.

    Rajini is not at all an actor, he is a pure entertainer. Comment on Kamal, Sivaji Ganesan, we can accept they are class actors of Indian cinema.

  54. Vivek Says:

    “When Premaloka songs were released we didn’t have Internet.”

    Last heard, Internet wasn’t here even when Roja was released.
    —————————————————–
    “Your arguments are bereft of logic and common sense”

    Like the one about Internet and Roja? ;)
    ——————————————————
    “It is just that we are in a social-service mode where we help some Sahitya-challenged musicians from a neighboring State, to overcome their singing disabilities”

    Maybe you should start helping your own musicians first. Your great GK Venkatesh had to be fed and supported by Illayaraja during his last days, so relax. Don’t make statements out of emotion, it always backfires :)
    ——————————————————
    “It is not for lack of talent Kannada musicians don’t appear.”

    That’s an awfully weak argument. The fact is that musicians here aren’t given an opportunity to appear. Talent is everywhere, not just with Kannadigas or Tamilians..the opportunities are what matter more.
    ——————————————————-
    Karnataka’s people flock in thousands when an AR Rahman performs here. Compare that with any local MD’s concert and you would realize that Kannada’s nemesis is its people itself. So don’t feel threatened by Tamils or Bengalis or anyone else, the problem lies within.
    And yeah, I’m not one of those communal fanatics, so leave me out of this Tamil vs Kannada nonsense. It just turned out that this topic had more going for Tamil Film Music. I will stand in support of Kannada and Karnataka when it comes to another topic, which rationally justifies it. I don’t wanna argue blindly just to win an argument :)

  55. Thalaiva Says:

    Doddi buddi,

    The reason what you have quoted about Musicians from Madras is absolute a “Vithanda vaadha”.

  56. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Vivek & Thalaiva

    You cannot refute my arguments, can you? When the ‘heat’ is on you run away claiming all sorts of imaginary issues:)

    Just because GK Ventatesh was cared for by Ilayaraja, it doesn’t show we are callous. It shows Ilayaraja as a good person.

  57. aarohana pada Says:

    Thalaiva
    adu haage kanaiah. ninna maturity level singular tense ge seemitha vaadaddu

    GK Venkatesh genre is different but Ilayaraja was his assistant,

    the problem with tamils is that they try to rewrite history. we are deciphering sangam and it is turning to be fake records. wait for some days. all of tamil nadu will be excavated to get kannada inscriptions. then you will get nicely,

    Imam gokulashtami kannadigarige astenu kasta illa . ilnodu

  58. Vivek Says:

    Dodda Buddi,

    Man, you make me laugh like crazy!

    What arguments are you talking about? When someone says there was Internet in India in 1992, there’s no point in even paying attention to them.

    Illayaraja’s goodness was revealed because of your industry’s callousness. Why go to town with your big claims, when there’s nothing to back it up?

    And what ‘imaginary issues’ are you referring to? You didn’t even address my arguments put forth in the previous post. At least make an effort if possible…instead of making such blind statements.

    The heat is on you, if anyone my friend…

  59. asha Says:

    >>Just because GK Ventatesh was cared for by Ilayaraja, it doesn’t show we are callous. It shows Ilayaraja as a good person.>>

    DB,

    The argument can also be made that GKV took care of Ilayaraja and L Vaidyanathan (both were his assistants) and taught them the trade. Maybe it was Ilayaraja’s way of repaying his master, a gurudakshina if you will :)

  60. asha Says:

    Thaliava,

    >>Kannada industry failed to recognize/give suitable opportunities to many talents starting from Rajini, Arjun, Prabhu Deva’s family, Prakash Raj and so many people.>>

    Rajini was introduced to the movie world by Puttanna Kanagal..and has acted in a lot of kannada movies. it was only when K Balachander offered him a role in tamil, he made a conscious decision to shift to tamil cinema. He is on record saying he sought Vishnuvardhan’s advice on this and Vishnu advised him to go and if he makes it big in Tamil cinema, it will be a feather in the cap of kannadigas and an excellent thing to happen to a kannada boy. This statement was made by Rajni when he visited to pay homage to Vishnu.

    Arjun was introduced to Kannada movies by Rajendra Singh Babu and he acted in a number of kannada movies initially

    Prabhu Deva’s dad was a staple dance choreographer in kannada movies in 70s and 80s. So where is the neglect.

    Prakash Raj started acting in kannada dramas and then went on to act in some experimental movies before he jumped to Tamil.

    In the yesteryears most heroines like Bharathi,Jayanthi, Jamuna, Vanishree would act routinely in all south indian language movies…some even acted in hindi and marathi movies too (bharathi).

    You are talking without knowing the facts :)

  61. Gaby Says:

    The argument is becoming inane, no small thanks to Thalaiva and Vivek. No sensible person can deny the wealth of music contributed by Visvanathan-Ramamurthy, K V Mahadevan, MSV, Ilayaraja ( Tho’ my favorite is Vijaya Thesingu Rajendar ) Or Rajan-Nagendra, Satyam, M Ranga Rao, Vijayabhaskar and GKV. But the original question posed was different and my response to that question still is that both Kolaveri Di and Pyaarge…. are ridiculous songs that will be forgotten ( thankfully ) in a month’s time.

  62. Thalaiva Says:

    Doddi buddi,

    Musicians from TN always shares a major portion in any cultural events in Karanataka. There is no imaginations here. Its not about the pronunciations factor which you have mentioned. More and more people learn carnatic classical music in TN and the musicians are available in abundance, that may the reason. In Ontikoppal, many traditional musicians gave up their work of teaching music and fled to bangalore in search of Posh life. Even the present kannada generation are very reluctant in learning classical music.

    Social service? Are you kidding? Its the hardwork which pays off late, which tamils do in every sector of life. Thats why you can see tamil domination in south karnataka.

    Aarohana pada,

    Ninna maturity level nodi, nange ondtara digbramane aagide. Churmuri moderators, ninna unmatured silly comments na approve madtirode ondu viparyasa.

  63. Vivek Says:

    Gaby,

    Maybe the argument has become inane, but why thank only two people? Thank everyone who contributed (whether it was backed-up or baseless!).
    Let’s not become one-sided now :)

  64. chidu22 Says:

    Well the entire debate has been fascinating. It has brought many facts about Kannada film industry and myths sorrounding Madras film industry to the fore. Being a kannadiga I am interested to know if we take on board some of the criticism about our industry for its own betterment?. I think only then we may continue to prosper as in the golden years again. Wait and watch..

  65. Faldo Says:

    Kolaveri is an excellent case of viral marketing and Pyarge is a good song that raises a few laughs. We must let matters rest there and not make them out to be something that they are not.

    However, one hopes that after the response to Kolaveri, music directors are not misled into thinking that songs could be made without good singers, lyricists and music assistants.

  66. aarohana pada Says:

    tamilians have to depend on mysoor whererever they go.
    http://www.zomato.com/ncr/restaurants/noida/sector-18/vaango-3220/menu?page=2#menutop
    Mysoor hesaru helkondu mysoor masale dose tinisidre maatra nam jothe swalpa hasaru ulkollodu

  67. Gaby Says:

    Vivek, I didn’t mean to single the two of you. Whilst many supporters of KFM have made asses of themselves, you started the dumbing down of this argument on 9 February . In any case I still maintain that both the songs in question are highly forgettable rubbish..

    Arohana Pada, in the link you provide, it is clear that everything is in the service of commerce and neither Kannada nor Tamizh. The menu speaks of a dosa and Vada ( not dose/ dosai or bade/ vadai) for the convenience of non Kannadigas and non Tamilians. Let us remember what Siddalingaiah told us in 1981- Koodi balidare swarga sukha.

  68. ondu pada Says:

    @Gaby
    “Koodi balidare swarga sukha” –
    hindu swarga andre hudgeeru glass itkondu legal bar nadistharanthe?
    muslim swarga andre adeno 72 kanyasere bidistharanthe
    christianru garden of roses share madtharanthe.

    ditana?

    i think everybody should not cramp down to such generic statements with lazy thoughts – however general it may sound ultimately you will close the doors to sleep.
    in the same way ‘space’ is very important for any human being.
    and we have cramped down and we are suffering. we need to show compassion to suffering minds .

  69. kashinathan Says:

    Pyar ge agbuttaithe paatu nalla irukku… Heroin sama figurre da machi…

  70. Gaby Says:

    Padanno, Adheno nee helo swargada maathgolu nange gotthagakilla. Na helidhu baari galaate Yale antha. Nee yaake asthondhu dukkavagiddheeya?

  71. kashinathan Says:

    Some one should comeup with Kannada-Tamil mixed song. Allivargu nam jana churmuri li kacchadodanna bidalla.

  72. chetan Says:

    ppl like asha need to do a lot of homework before posting, from the posts i have read of hers, she posts wrong information just to back her point. There is nothing wrong in accepting tamils are more talented in music. fyi Gk Venkatesh was an import from Andhra, MSV was an import from kerala.
    M Venkataraju and Hamsalekha are the only two music directors whose mother tongue is kannada, if kannada and kannadigas have to prosper it can happen only through the contribution of accha kannadigas in my opinion. the movies of 70’s and 80’s were good because we imported quality talent, even rajan-nagendra is not kannada by birth. i agree with everything vivek has said. even i am a big fan of hamsalekha and his background scores, he is very original.

  73. Vivek Says:

    A sane post at last! Thanks Chetan.

  74. December Stud Says:

    Chetan,

    You say “ppl like asha need to do a lot of homework before posting
    “, and in the same post, you go on to say “M Venkataraju and Hamsalekha are the only two music directors whose mother tongue is kannada”. Amazing, isn’t it? Please check your facts buddy.

  75. Chidu22 Says:

    @Chetan
    ” if kannada and kannadigas have to prosper it can happen only through the contribution of accha kannadigas in my opinion. the movies of 70′s and 80′s were good because we imported quality talent”
    There is dichotomy in what you say. The problem lies in inability of KFI to adapt to changing times i.e. technology, in every aspect of film making. With this handicap you can’t draw masses and hence commercially viable. The counter parts in the neighbouring states have done well , copy and paste from Hollywood flicks with native twist. This generates revenue and draws talent from other states. Such talent is lacking in Kannada. Let’s hope the talent here adapt to new technology to enhance their product, incorporate modern ideas along side movies like “Jogi”. This will also draw the ever under confident, under achieving and self deprecating kannadigas to Kannada movies and songs , sway them back.

  76. dr ramesh Says:

    You cant talk facts with tamils who believe that there is a planet called rajanikanth which exists in the solar system and has been there for millions of years, a person called a r rehman taught music to beethoven and luciano pavarotti. Let them revel in their faith. Kannadigas will continue to listen to dr raj, ashwath, anantswamy and support new breed of music directors like hari krishna,arjun janya, sridhar ,mano murthy who as sonu nigam has acknowledged,are doing a fantastic job.

  77. Vivek Says:

    Dr Ramesh,

    You say you cannot talk facts with Tamils, but then go on to say that Tamils think ARR taught music to Beethoven and Pavarotti. Wonder what facts anyone would even want to talk about when such creative presumptions are made.
    Why not let emotions and ego take a backseat and look at the facts as they are? No one can make you believe something that is not true right? So just open your eyes and see that KFM has a long way to go to achieve the standard of the 70s and 80s.

  78. chetan Says:

    @December Stud
    in a radio interview 3 years back, hamsalekha has said that not a single accha kannada music director enter kfi between m.venktataraju(1963) and hamsalekha(1987). hamsalekha knows there is a problem which needs to be addressed, therefore he has started a desi music school. if i was wrong then why didn’t you correct me in your post?

  79. Goldstar Says:

    @dr Ramesh,

    >>You cant talk facts with tamils who believe that there is a planet called rajanikanth which exists in the solar system and has been there for millions of years,…..

    B***S***T. We tamilians believe that Rajanikanth created the Solar System.

  80. asha Says:

    >>There is nothing wrong in accepting tamils are more talented in music. fyi Gk Venkatesh was an import from Andhra, MSV was an import from kerala.
    M Venkataraju and Hamsalekha are the only two music directors whose mother tongue is kannada, if kannada and kannadigas have to prosper it can happen only through the contribution of accha kannadigas in my opinion. the movies of 70′s and 80′s were good because we imported quality talent, even rajan-nagendra is not kannada by birth. i agree with everything vivek has said. even i am a big fan of hamsalekha and his background scores, he is very original.>>

    Chetan,

    You need to look at facts before parroting what some music director has said on some radio show years ago. Rajan_nagendra are both kannadiga’s and so is GKV. Vijayabhaskar was a kannadiga and the only exception were upendra kumar and m rangarao (upendra kumar was a oriya and m ranga rao was a telugu). so there before refuting others do some homework :)

    ***

    Chetan,

    Also, the other music director who was quite popular in 70s and 80s was Sathyam and he was a telugu. So there, you have hamsalekha’s claim disproved. So it was really a 50-50 split between non-kannadiga and kannadiga music directors.

    ***

    Chetan,

    How do you define a acchha kannadiga? M Rangarao a telugu by birth moved to Karnataka, lived in Mysore and enriched our music all his life, P Upendrakumar who is a oriya moved to karnataka and did the same to kannada music. As far as I am concerned, they are technically kannadigas and I am OK with it. Even Puttanna Kanagal’s heritage is muluknadu brahmins from Andhra, but Puttanna kanagal and his elder brother Prabhakar Shastry’s always claimed they were kannadigas. You do not have to blindly believe what hamsalekha says. Do some research and arrive at the truth instead of railing against me without knowing the facts. Geetpriya a maharashtrian by birth but he has always worked for kannada. Stop splitting hairs and accept if people proclaim they are kannadigas and are able to converse and transact in kannada. If not we would not have a Kailasam, A masti venkatesh iyengar, or a Da Ra Bendre. I have personnaly heard both PBS and SPB say that they will be indebted to the kannadigas more than anybody else for the love and respect showered on them.

    BTW M Venkataraju and Gangaraju (original name of hamsalekha) sounds like the Raju’s from Godavari district in Andhra. Maybe you should go back and check if their ancestors migrated from Andhra ages ago and tell it to Hamsalekha to tone down his rhetorical talk.

    ***

    Chetan,

    You say 70s and 80s music were very good ( which I agree to) because we imported quality talent. Is this not enough to show how confused you are :).

  81. asha Says:

    Chetan,

    Also, the other music director who was quite popular in 70s and 80s was Sathyam and he was a telugu. So there, you have hamsalekha’s claim disproved. So it was really a 50-50 split between non-kannadiga and kannadiga music directors.

  82. chetan Says:

    asha,
    you are wrong about GKV, rajan-nagendra and vijaybhaskar. what you said about others is true.
    hamsalekha knows his facts. vijaybhaskar is a tamilian from tamilnad. other two are telugus. i have seen rajan interview in a telugu channel saying he is from chitoor and that still his ancestors live there. gk venkatesh is from andhra. i have done my homework before posting.
    i don’t care who belongs to which linguistic orgin, the problem i am having is there is not a healthy mix of pure kannadigas, the ratio is 10:90. in other industries there is a healthy mix of local ppl like 70:30.

  83. asha Says:

    Chetan,

    Rajan Nagendra scored music for a lot of telugu movies in 70s and 80s, so probably they were trying to impress the fan base in AP while talking in telugu (incidentally most of these guys speak in 3 south indian langauges atleast, kannada,tamil and telugu). As I said technically they lived and worked for enriching of kannada music and gave us a lot of memorable music and that is good enough for me to consider them as kannadigas..hair splitting by hamsalekha be damned..Same with vijayabhaskar the only south indian music director to be awarded the sur singar prashasti. Same with M Ranga Rao, Upendra Kumar and Sathyam. For me you live here, talk my language and contribute to my state’s,culture,langauge,economy you are a kannadiga.

  84. Vivek Says:

    Asha,

    You say…
    “For me you live here, talk my language and contribute to my state’s,culture,langauge,economy you are a kannadiga”

    In your earlier post you said:
    “Rajini was introduced to the movie world by Puttanna Kanagal..and has acted in a lot of kannada movies. it was only when K Balachander offered him a role in tamil, he made a conscious decision to shift to tamil cinema. He is on record saying he sought Vishnuvardhan’s advice on this and Vishnu advised him to go and if he makes it big in Tamil cinema, it will be a feather in the cap of kannadigas and an excellent thing to happen to a kannada boy.”

    Going by the logic of the first statement, isn’t Rajinikanth a Tamilian now??! Which means he isn’t a ‘Kannada Boy’ anymore and so is Arjun, Prabhu Deva, Prakash Raj and everyone else who live in Chennai and are more into the TFI than KFI.

  85. Krishnan Says:

    @Vivek,

    >>>>>>Going by the logic of the first statement, isn’t Rajinikanth a Tamilian now??! Which means he isn’t a ‘Kannada Boy’ anymore and so is Arjun, Prabhu Deva, Prakash Raj and everyone else who live in Chennai and are more into the TFI than KFI.<<<<<

    Rightly pointed…. Rajini is more tamilian than marati.

    @Asha,

    Tamil industry is famous for wide range of stories and experimentation's. Telugu industry is famous for its mass movies and Malayalam industry is famous for their class stories. Unfortunately kannada industry is famous for CTRL+C and do a CTRL+V of movies from other industry. Accept it or not, truth is truth. On an average more 90% of kannada movies are remakes, the rest original movies are pure crap.

  86. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Krishnan

    Tamils are famous for using for CTRL+C and do a CTRL+V of movies from the international film industry. Never mind they add amazing twists to the original plot:)

    Your Tamil hubris is ugly. You claim Tamils dominate. Sure a few good examples like Vishy Anand and others. But just look at your leading lights: PC, MK, Raja, Cunning Moli and others. They all look like crooks act like crooks and they are crooks personified.

    Your musicians singing Karnatic music would sound more like deaf and dumb students singing (no disrespect to handicapped people). Facts are facts: Tamil doesn’t have all sounds but Tamilians improvise. End of story. So no pure swara sahitya. So why quibble? Accept a few facts. Try saying ‘Shahjahan’ in Tamil a few times as a penance and then come back to me. Alright? LOL

    To give you a similar comparison many Chinese take up piano lessons, they master the piano and play with eager ineptitude and no feeling. In plain words they are like automatons playing the piano. Ditto with Tamilians because the moment a Tamil sings in non-Tamil languages (which BTW he/she cannot w/o betraying the sacred cause of Tamil which is exemplary mutilated and mumbled pronunciation) he/she is automatically a lost cause. So please don’t go around belittling others just because other languages folks don’t have vulgar gumption to promote trash like Kolaveri ditty.

    The more you know less you should speak goes the proverb. Thumbida koda thulokolla. But not in your case. Its that obvious!

  87. asha Says:

    Vivek,

    My logic is not applicable to Tamils. These same people who castigated that poor guy Dr.H V Hande, who was the home minister in MGR’s cabinet for being a kannadiga, even though 2 generations of Dr.Hande lived in Tamil nadu. It is the problem with you guys nit picking about regionalism trying to peddle non existent greatness of tamils to the point of inflicting mental damage to the listener.

    Krishnan,

    Your assertion that tamils try experimentation more applies to the malyalam movies who are making probably the most meaningful movies today compared to all the other south indian film industries put together. The present day tamil movies are straight lift from hollywood movies, but the problem is people do not bother to watch the original movie in english and they think the tamil movie has a original story. A case in point is Gajni, which was a straight lift from Memento an excellent movie by the way. Also there was another hollywood movie starring jennifer aniston which was lifted and made into a tamil movie with sharat kumar and jyothika. So much for originality of tamil movies. Even maniratham used to do this, compare nagyagan with godfather, anjali with ET.

  88. Vivek Says:

    Asha,

    Never knew your logic was language- and region-specific. I’d rather give that kind of logic a skip!
    And you want Anjali and ET to be compared??! LOL! I wish to be enlightened please…
    ———————————————————————–
    Doddi Buddi,

    “To give you a similar comparison many Chinese take up piano lessons, they master the piano and play with eager ineptitude and no feeling. In plain words they are like automatons playing the piano.”

    That’s gross generalization at its best! Ever heard of Lang Lang? Spend a few minutes looking him up…it helps to do some research before typing away…
    ————————————————————————
    “Your musicians singing Karnatic music would sound more like deaf and dumb students singing (no disrespect to handicapped people).”

    Er…I thought the dumb cannot sing, so what’s the comparison here? You’re comparing someone who can talk/sing with someone who wasn’t blessed with that ability? And what do the deaf have to do with Karnatic music? I’m confused…

  89. Krishnan Says:

    Doddi buddi,

    You seem to be a totally frustrated hapless and helpless paper tiger, seeing tamils all over south karnataka. Kolaveri seems to have added khara pudi to your frustrations LOL :)

    Carnatic classical was and is supported by tamils rather than kannadigas. Can karnataka produce one Kunnaikudi Vaidyanathan? Or ms subbalakshmi? I always hear oota aytha sir, tindi aytha sir from kannadigas but nothing more than that.

    Asha,

    There are tamil movies which are remade from hollywood movies. Stinking part is, these remade movies are once again made in kannada. Does kannadigas doesnt understand English? Or probably you guys watch more tamil movies if i am not wrong. LOL :)

  90. asha Says:

    Krishnan,

    Can you name 2 kannada movies that were remade from Tamil movies that were remade from hollywood movies. Finally, you have accepted there is nothing special about tamil movies, but rehash of hollywood movies, so much for your experimentation and new trend setting…you have spoken like a true tamil…Not to mention that tamil music from ARR and Harris Jairaj are also straight lift from english/chinese tunes…..keep this charade going and also do not let facts come in the way of your argument…

  91. Sagar Says:

    Asha avare,

    Namma kannadada puneet, shivarajkumar intha actors itkondu yenu antha tamilnora jothe vaada maadtira? Atleast avaralli Surya, Kamalhasan, Ajith, Vikram tara handsome agiroru idare. Vijay kappu idru, nodakke parvagilla. Tamil picture gaLu 500 theatre li release agathe, yeshtond business madtare. Namma kannada cinema quality compare madidre, saavarapaalu chennagirathe. Gajini tara english remake madtare houdhu aadre illige hege beko atara modify madtare ade eegin generation expect madodu. Kannada cinema yaavdo oberaayan kaladalli ide. ar rahman, harris jairaj avara music nammallu popular. Rahman music na chennagilla antha heLdre nammana huchru anthare. Rehna hai tere dil me(minnale) release aagi 10 varsha agide, ivattige adara yella haadu popular, sumsumne haari jairaj na jana ishta padalla. Modlu namma kittogiro actors na support madodu bidbeku aagle namma industry kooda bere industry jothege compete madakke agodu.

  92. Sankaran Says:

    Dadda buddi…

    8th cross ganapati utsavadalli the people who cant say “Shahajahan” properly only performs well. Dedication towards kale and sahitya is the mandatory required quality, not the egoistic attitude.

    asha…

    just ask who is the top actor of kannada cinema outside karnataka. People will reply you “Oh… i didn’t knew that kannada language too has a cinema world of it own”

    Tamil cinema is well received across globe. I thoroughly enjoyed Singam in Shimogga in a packed theatre. Check out the reason why tamil movies will run more than kannada movies in karnataka.

  93. Doddi Buddi Says:

    Krishnan

    But my humble question: is Kunnaikudi Vaidyanathan as good as the Harlem brutha who sang kolaveri?

    Also, you must learn some English grammar. “…Does kannadigas doesnt understand English?…”

    ***

    Sankaran,

    Shimoga has a big diaspora of Tamils. No doubt they are famously watching Singham with a fan like you. Singham — just by its name I can guess the twist that has been put on the original word from Sanskrit. LOL

    Simple question: have you ever enjoyed watching a Kannada movie?

    Humble request: Saar neevu Krishnan jothe swalpa English lessons thagobeku.

  94. FirstReality Says:

    Comments here show precisely what’s wrong with us.

    People are crawling on the road, we live like rats. But our priority is deciding who has the best language.

  95. asha Says:

    DB,

    The tamils are the most insecure guys that I have come across…they have to keep reassuring themselves that they are great, their language is great, their actors are great. It goes to such lengths that they think learning another language will some how diminish their love for their own language and refuse to learn any new language. When you have such a attitude the repeat of what happened in Sri Lanka keeps happening all over the place. The key is to assimilate with the local population but these fellows will never do any such thing.

  96. EmptyMind Says:

    Mr Shankar
    You are eating your own words. u people talk about egoism of others. but pretend there is no film industry other than your Kaaliwood in the south. Grow up man. don’t give free lecture on something that u are not following.

  97. EmptyMind Says:

    @Sankaran
    Tamilians cant tell the best actor from Kannada industry! are they showing ignorance or egoism. doesn’t bother to me at all. I will give my verdict who is best actor from your kaaliwood . it does not goes to those hapless onscreen actors as i hardly recognize them, but it must goes to its off screen audience like you! ;-). These are the same folks who built temple of an actress, start a new trend of building organisation in the name of fans association and later influencing the political interest out of it. and yes because of their laud mouth and arrogance i.e “our film is greatest. and our cartoonic icon is most stylish person in the whole world”, your industry has prospered and reached global level. congratulation for that.

    We are seeing in this forum how smart these “off screen actors” commenting against KFI in Kannada accent. But I hate Kannadigas emulating the trend of hero worshiping of what Tamilians generally follows. Hero worshiping or idol worshiping has become a disease in this country.

  98. asha Says:

    Sankaran

    >>Tamil cinema is well received across globe>>

    You did not complete the sentence….well received by Tamils largely maybe a few non tamils…..Nobody is telling you not to like tamil movies…..but just don’t try to sell they are the best to the rest of us, like a snake oil salesman in a village fair :) I for a fact know that our own south indian states kerala, andhra and karnataka have no love lost of tamil movies. Andhra has its own flourishing film industry and so does Malayalam and Kannada….

  99. EmptyMind Says:

    @Krishnan,
    Really,Tamilians are such great in music. Please tell me what swara or raaga will come out when a morsel of food go inside your mouth.
    you may be comedian in your office who do bajane in front of dining table just to amuse your colleague. Any how thanks for showing your humour.

  100. Sankaran Says:

    Doddi buddi…

    Dhanyavada, nanna english alli tappu kanduhidididdakke.

    Dayavittu nimma so called kannadigarige “ha” mathu “aa” iveradu aksharagaLige modalu difference tilisi. Nimma kannada bhasheyalli matra spashta ucharane antha helo neevu, nimma narayanagouda, devegouda etara jana “ha”kaarakke “aa”kaara sersi haalmadtidare adanna sari madsi, amele tamilnora “shahajahan” mathu english bagge matadi.

    Swami, neevu yen hodkondru ashte, sanskrit is already branded as dying langauge. Singapore or singapura, singam all these words have roots in tamil. And you didn’t mentioned why does Shimogga has lots of tamil diaspora. Kannadigas are lazy and not hardworkers that made tamils to occupy your jobs. Also the mass movies lovers of karnataka always love tamil and telugu movies more than kannada movies. Thats why an ordinary movie Singam will make good money in karnataka.

    Asha,

    Hardly how much percentage of tamils are present in whole karnataka? 1 or 2% right? Or take max 5%. Then how come tamil movies are relieved well in karnataka? Your own people will watch encourage tamil movies, because of the quality.

    Empty Mind,

    Old mysore region brahmins were reluctant to karnatic music, thats the reason mysore maharaja encouraged brahmins of Tanjore region. So many tamil familes migrated to mysore and practiced carnatic classical. My family is also one of such. Be it carnatic classical or movies, tamil is the one which is dominating and No doubt in that.

  101. Vivek Says:

    “Modlu namma kittogiro actors na support madodu bidbeku aagle namma industry kooda bere industry jothege compete madakke agodu.”

    That sums up pretty much everything. Well said :)

  102. Krishnan Says:

    @Doddi buddi

    Frustrations boiling in your blood, hence trying to find out grammatical mistakes :) Your comparison has no meaning at all. Is Yogish a.k.a loose mada as good as Rajkumar?

    The whole thiruvarur, tanjavur, kumbakonam region celebrates during thyagarajar aradhana with carnatic music programs. Whereas in karnataka the so called pitamaha of carnatic music Purandaradasa has not been given proper maryaada. Lack of interest among kannadigas in each and every field is clear.

    @Asha,

    How many mungaru male came after 2007? How many kannada movies releases outside karnataka? There are lots of kannadigas in chennai, hyderabad, do they encourage kannada movies? A high expected movie in kannada will have 100 -120 theatres release whereas a high expected tamil movie will release in more than 800+ theatres. Robot had 2000+ theatres, many vijay and surya movies will get 500 theatre releases. Still you say, kannada movies does well LOL :)

    @ Emtpy mind

    One more khara pudi case LOL. Why this kolaveri da?

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